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Ha, now I found something. The German HuffPost wrote about a group of German economists and advisors that the EU should create a new customs union called European Customs Association wehre all would be members, inclduing the UK, and the UK remaining to vote in economic decisions affecting all Europe. The experts said that the Backstop positions of all sides are unnegotiable for the EU, for the UK and for the republic of Ireland, and thus it must be taken out of the equation by this bypasing attempt.

The logic of why to do so, is fine, the Backstop thing gives the eU a total and potentially unlimited negotiation superiority over the UK in the future, this is unacceptable for the UK. A hard border is unacceptable for Ireland. and the EU does not want to give up its super trump card for the future that May was so stupid to prematurely agree to.

From the bots:

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The backstop in the Withdrawal Agreement provides: If, after leaving the EU on 29 March and the transitional period to 31 December 2020, the UK has not entered into a trade agreement with the EU that would make a fixed Irish border redundant, ...

► ... Britain in a customs union with the EU ...

► ... and Northern Ireland also part of the internal market.

For the British, this is unacceptable because in this case there would probably be a border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and the rest of Britain. British MPs fear interference in the sovereignty of their country.

In addition, the authors write, the backstop of the EU has the advantage of negotiating future relations with the British. "In extreme cases, the EU could delay negotiations until the transitional period expires and the backstop comes into force," the authors of the paper point out the fears of the British government.

A limitation of the backstop is also for them no solution, because in this case, the advantage would go to Great Britain. "In extreme cases, a time limit could encourage the UK government to delay negotiations until the backstop has expired," the paper said. The British could then negotiate more concessions in a free trade agreement yet to be concluded.

It is therefore hard for the experts: The backstop is unstoppable.

Therefore, they make a controversial proposal.
How the experts want to dissolve the Brexit chaos:

The "politically feasible" proposal of the experts is: They want to create a new European Customs Union (called in the paper "European Customs Association (ECA)"). Then a fixed Irish border would be obsolete.

In this new customs union, Britain and the EU would have to agree on a common trade policy. Unlike in the backstop model, London should also get a vote on the proposal of the experts.

Then, for example, the British government would be involved in negotiations on trade agreements between the EU and third countries.

Especially Brexit hardliners had promised in the UK that the country can once again conclude trade agreements and lead its own trade policy after the EU's exit. After all, with the suggestion of the experts, Britain does not lose the say, as the backstop currently provides.

https://www.huffingtonpost.de/entry/...ef=de-homepage

Note this is not the position of the German government, but private talking. Also note the eU must hate this proposal, since the eU declares social issues and economic freedoms to be a monolithic unity that shall not be broken up. And finally it is a proposal closer to the psotiions of Labour than the Tories, so the May camp must hate it while Corbynistas maybe want to celebrate, I don't knwo.

My optimism doesnot start to grow, therefore.

^ It's looking more and more that the UK will remain in the EU......unless Parliament can unite themselves.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2589596)

Parliament can unite themselves.

Nice one Jim, another corker. :har: :har: :har: :har: :up:

Get a beer out the fringe you are a star. :DL

Sorry, did not hear of anything either.
If anything they said that there is no further concession possible without creating unfair trade relations and ridiculing the idea of the EU.

Project fear reaches a all time new high, listening to the radio last night plans have been made to get the royal family out of the UK if the UK crashes out with no deal.

Sounds like some one called the....A-Team.

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Nissan has confirmed that the new X-Trail originally planned for its Sunderland plant will instead be made in Japan.

In a letter to workers, it says continued Brexit uncertainty is not helping firms to "plan for the future".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

Brexit uncertainty is only a minor factor, the bigger one is the pending demise of diesel autos.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2589787)

Brexit uncertainty is only a minor factor, the bigger one is the pending demise of diesel autos.

It seems over the weekend this was more of a scare story now it comes to light this is about and I quote what I heard on Sky News "Future Jobs" not yet created. And with tough diesel emission laws in the UK and probably getting tougher no wonder its all going Japan.

Moving on...

I don't believe the media story about a possible general election in June.

Correctamundo, a previously little known fact or one that wasn't previously made public....the new diesel emissions requirements were never going to be met.

Three days of talks have commenced.

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MPs are meeting with the government to discuss alternative arrangements to the proposed Irish border "backstop", as three days of talks begin.

The Alternative Arrangements Working Group, with Leave and Remain MPs, met for the first time after the Commons voted to find another way of avoiding the return of Irish border checks.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has said "existing technology" could be used.

But EU leaders have continued to rule out making changes to the backstop.

The Irish PM Leo Varadkar told RTE radio the UK was reviewing ideas that had "already been rejected", and it was "very frustrating" that the UK government was "going back to the idea of technology".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47110641

Mean while back in the Labour party....

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Labour MPs urge more action against anti-semitism

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47123328

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2590093)

Mean while back in the Labour party....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47123328

Thats almost as funny as the German government recently repeatingg once again they are with Israel and Auschwitz shall never happen again while heavily lobbying for Iran and trying desperately to do business with them and buy them the time needed to to get the means necessary to turn their threats true that they want to annihilate Israel once and forever. :yeah:Shall nobody say the Germans have no sense of humour.

A world of non-anti-semitic comedians!

and it was nice to hear how the tone in Brussel turns rough and Ireland was openly threatened to to be exlcuded form the common market by enforcing a tax regime on it if they would not do heavy action on realising a solid border with Northern Ireland in an attempt to prevent new terror and civil war.

It is obvious by that that foer the EU leaving a state of its empire shift into war and terror is preferrable to the outlook of not punishing the stubborn Brits as heavily as possible and bitterly defending their grap on the Backstop deal they managed to get agreed to by stupid May.

The damn EU should be a free trade zone only, and all demands and calls beyond that and all imperial effort to enforce foreign policies and social experiments and cultural reeducation and enforced migration and centralisng control of a de facto planned economy onto all members should be send to hell better yesterday than today.

Free trade zone. This the EU should have been today - and not one bit more.

To leave the Irish question to the end, was stupid by all involved sides, and naive. To agree to the Backstop solution was stupid by May. What Corbyn has to babble, is always adding new depth to the meaning of the word "stupid".

OMFG do you have any evidence or at least a link to back up your defamatory statements?

Equal rights in Northern Ireland are threatend by brexit, not by the EU
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00339-y
https://www.ft.com/content/1a7af4ec-...9-c7e6ceb5ffdf

A threat by whom? Isn't it so that some Tories threatened Ireland with a food shortage in case of a backstop, and if it stayed in the EU?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...es-890762.html

The "backstop" was a british proposal, and the EU agreed to it as did Ireland. It is perfectly clear that there will be a hard border with no backstop, this was never in question. How else will England want to "protect its borders" in case of a no deal brexit? So it is so bad to say how it is aloud and call a spade a spade eh?
This has all be ignored during and since the brexit refeferendum, don't try to blame all this bull on the EU again.

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Theresa May will try to reassure people in Northern Ireland that she can secure a Brexit deal that avoids a hard border with Ireland during a visit later.

In a speech to business leaders, the prime minister will pledge to secure a deal with the EU that "commands broad support" and a majority in parliament.

The DUP leader, Arlene Foster, said the "toxic backstop" remained the problem.

Brussels was "unfortunately turning their face against that" and needed respect for unionism in NI, she added.

Mrs Foster spoke out as the European Commission confirmed the prime minister will visit Brussels on Thursday for talks with its president Jean-Claude Juncker.

This follows a visit by Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar on Wednesday.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47123078

Good luck with that.

So brexiter Dyson moves to Singapore, claiming brexit will be a disaster for.. Europe, and the latter will be on its knees to beg England. :hmmm:

Well we will see, but:

" ... last October, Singapore signed a trade agreement with the EU, which eliminates virtually all tariffs in the mutual exchange of goods."

"Since 2003, however, [Dyson] production in the UK has stopped. Hair dryers, vacuum cleaners and fans have since been manufactured in Malaysia, the Philippines and Singapore."

From 'Die Welt' (Google translate)
https://translate.google.com/transla...-Singapur.html

All sides would be better off doing something productive, instead of bigmouthing.

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2590194)

All sides would be better off doing something productive, instead of bigmouthing.

Agreed but can someone tell this to her :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXwwtaAd0f8

Her leader and former lover is hardly any better...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8w9xqjGM-U

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2590150)

What you always ignored and constantly gloss over is the simple fact that a case of Backstop actiove is a wepaon in thehands of the eU to keep the UK helpless and in a tax uniuon FOR ALL TIME TO COME, if so the eu wishes. Its a biblical trump card in the hand of the EU. And you innocently ask why any UKler could have anything against that, since the EU said it means it only oh so well.

You play possum. And you know it.

May shoud have never agreed to this. It wasd the last, the decisive mistake of her, in a chain of mistakes she made. Though even if she would have played the match best way possible, it is highly questionable that there would be a better situaiton today, sicne the EU from all beginning on was set to opunish the Brits and execute an example to scare any other people wanting leave the EU away from that idea. To make it as miserable as poissible for the UK, under all costs, was always the top priority in the way the EU played it. Not seeing that means to refuse to see the EU's top prioritiy: teaching a lesson.

Ireland indeed got threatened with a customs regime if it does not impose a hard border to the North, severla German media revealed in the past days. You can look it up yourself. Brok, Asselbloom and others later put it in words once again for sure. tHis was because the Republic indicated it may try to save the peace by not enforcing such a hard border. The threats from Brussel meanwhile has made the Republic sharpening its language again, though still trying to weasel.

I was against any negotiatiuons form beginning on. I did not forsee just every detail and comliuction, but in egnerla I am not suprised a bit by where they satand now. Its all a waste of time, and it never had a chance to be anything different. The UK either will be independent form the block by a dew factor hard Brexit, or any "compromise" will keep it subjugated in dependency despite any referendum. They still do not want to see that in London. They still want to eat the cake while keeping it - a cake that they even never have baked (baken? damn grammar...) it in the first.