Tis one big pan of confusion Kai and I'm simply glad that we are coming to the end game whichever or whatever that may turn out to be.

I said a few posts ago that the tide was shifting towards a remain position and I still feel that way but heaven only knows what future relationships will be like.

Mays defeat is almost certain, but the real question is what they will do after today. Stick with hard Brexit, which i doubt they will, or ignore the referndum and stay in the EU? Big humiliation, an essential display of politician'S disrespect for the referendum, and a triumphant propaganda victory for the EU: Once the EU's, forever the EU's. There is no opting out of its treaties. Long live the EU superstate.

And a second referendum? Would immensely deepüen the rifts and lead to a polarization of civil society that may be really dangegrous for the stability of it. Plus it would rape "democracy's" holy grail: the majority decision principle.

When little kids are too small to play responsibly with matches, you send them on an even bigger playground where they can play with barrels of fuel and open fire. Logical. And where adults act corrupteldy on a limited scale, and you expand their reach and freedoms for decision making, they will not grow the consequences of their corruption and their seflish basic attitude at all, because it is a sane, reasonable world where power-hungry people act good and nicely and nobody seeks to push his priviliges to the max. Dozens and dozens of different cultures and ethnicities - and we are all a happy family.

The answer is not more and more and bigger and bigger state and more and more fat cats - the answer is to cut back states and deny fat cats their playgrounds and give people back their self-responsibility.

^ I'm not sure what will happen after May is defeated tonight (I suspect) but whatever the future holds, matters are about to become very interesting.

One outcome I certainly don't want is to see Corbyn end up with the keys to No 10.

So I take it this money-greedy, revisionist Nazi that you are is against social justice, freedom and equality and everyone being his brothers' keeper and emphatic servant? :hmmm:


:O:

432 : 202 .

Clearer than clear.

More than two thirds against. Any PM with even just a minimum of format and character would step down now immediately.

With a minimum of format and character, I said. It was not meant to imply that the minimum would be met in May's case. Not to mention reasonability, and brains.

If she stepped down she would open the door to Corbyn.....no thanks.

It took two years of negotiation, and the emerging content is outlined here:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...u-need-to-know

Not bad at all except the Ireland question. And now it is all in a shambles..
So the fuss is about the irish border, nothing else. I do not see how the UK wants to solve this. The relation between the Irelands and England has never been properly cleared up and solved.

Ah i forgot.. Skybird for the rescue.

I agree and 'shambles' is putting it mildly.

Tonight we have the confidence vote that was predicted by many and with the support of the ten DUP members May should survive this.

What she proposes next is to consult with senior members of all political parties, something her arrogance should have allowed two years ago.

Corbyn remains ever the hypocrit insisting on a customs union, a position he has argued against for a great many years so ultimately unless the EU throw in a sweetener/bone or two I doubt any consensus of agreement will be reached and the UK will remain in the EU.

Politics, don't you just love it.

I missed it all, some of us were at work you know! :stare:

The lost was not news what was news was how big it would be and it was a big one. In fact the biggest in history and that women has got the bare face cheek to remain as PM! Thanks to the fixed term Parliament act. And on the back of that mad dog Jezzer went for it, the DUP and Mogg's hard line group will back her and the rest will fall in line. Jezzer's lust for power is now showing like a junkie needing a fix fast.

All this has shown me is to back my argument up...Westminster is a den power crazed morons who lust for power and to hell with common sense and the voters. Westminster needs the biggest radical change for the better but it will never happen. They know it and love it, the voter is dumb. I am so glad I do not vote any more, I'm one of the very few who woke up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46885027

I noted my Tory MP voted against.

My MP voted against as well which is hardly surprising because I'm amazed a little over 200 actually voted for it.

Leave without a deal in March.

Leave tariffs and import duties at current levels to keep goods moving in and out.

Figure out exactly what the UK Govt wants to achieve from all this.

A new negotiating team goes to Brussels with a one-time offer - "for ₤39 B, the UK wants this and this and this... You can have the money or you can have the UK compromise on a negotiated settlement, but you (the EU) cannot have both - choose."

The buggas have obviously hung on to my contact details because this email arrived less than an hour ago...

https://i.imgur.com/zlZNXby.jpg

Brace yourself - Corbyn's coming: get your sit-out box now! :D


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-46814527


Well, today I have not much to say on all this, for the fifth of six builds in the Early Access program for Assetto Corsa Competizione is coming this evening, giving me access to the track of Zolder and the Jaguar GT3 car, which i have never driven before in any sim. Since Jaguar is not British anymore since 2008, Brexit debates cannot compete with the importance of this release, I admit. :O:

Jim, you will have to lay it on the line and tell them to get stuffed and go to hell while that mad dog jezzer and his vile club rule the roost.


Sky..

Here is the case of some one making a fast buck from fear and stupidity.

No confidence vote result

For the government 325

Against the government 306

Mayority 19

And MayBot tells old mad dog jezzer kiss my booty! :o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46899466

the only thing you can have confidence in is this whole debacle is this going to drag on even longer

Bang on the money. :)

MayBot is to start talking to the leaders of the opposition tonight after shes had a few bottles of champagne.

"Great Britain" will not be dismissed from the EU unless you all want to go hungry.
Maybe you have not understood, you are the field and we are the bread. :03:

Your bread may be toast