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Theresa May is launching a fresh push to convince MPs to back her Brexit deal as they begin five days of debate.

The prime minister cancelled a vote on her deal last month at the last minute to avoid a humiliating defeat.

She is hoping new proposals on Northern Ireland will change enough MPs' minds to save the deal.

But the DUP have already rejected the plans - and rebel Tories are planning a move that could give MPs more say over what happens if her deal is rejected.

The MPs, headed by former Tory ministers Oliver Letwin and Dominic Grieve, helped inflict a defeat on the government on Tuesday on an amendment aimed at making it more difficult to leave the EU without a deal.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46805269

You just couldn't make this stuff up....

She wins a confidence vote which means she can't be challenged for a further year so remains seriously stubborn and intransigent thereby running the risk of alienating more of her core supporters yet running the risk of bringing about a general election!!

STEED

01-09-19 07:10 AM

The DUP has once again rejected MayBot's new worded document that changes nothing to the agreement...WHY BOTHER!

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As Brexit debate begins, PM fails to win over Northern Irish kingmakers

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1P30MD

I now feel old Jezzer can sit back and take the keys to No.10. MayBot has failed and she will loose voters as they will punish the Tories even if that means letting Jezzer in for a term.

Its painful watching PMQ's as MayBot trys to flog her deal that no one wants. This women must be removed from office she is damaging the country with her bloody mindedness its my way or the highway!

Jimbuna

01-09-19 07:37 AM

The highway it must be then.

Skybird

01-09-19 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2585649)

But what do you expect her to do now? There is nothing left she could do.The EU is where it wanted to be: in a position where it can mercilessly strangle the UK. May helped to achieve that position, and now cannot reverse that anymore. There will be no renegotiations- And with the recent defeat in parliament, she also cannot execute Brexit without a deal. Since she will not get another deal than the one there is now, and this deal will not pass parliament, Brexit thus can not happen.

Plain logic until here. But then, its politicians. Logic usually is the first victim in their manouvers.

Jimbuna

01-09-19 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2585662)

One of these three outcomes...

1) A second referendum.
2) Remain.
3) General Election.

I wouldn't like to make a call on this but one thing I am confident of is the fact that relations between the UK and EU have deteriorated and will take a long time to repair.

EDIT: I should have included an extention of Article 50 in the above list but I'm wondering what point would an extension be if all parties are completely divided.

ikalugin

01-09-19 08:44 AM

Reminds me of:
https://youtu.be/ZVYqB0uTKlE

STEED

01-09-19 09:27 AM

(((BREAKING NEWS)))

The government has LOST the amendment vote to force the government to publish its plans for Plan-B within three days.

PLAN-B is that handing out suicide pills? :hmmm: :haha: :o

I agree with Beth Rigby on SKY News May has lost control of her cabinet and Parliament.

Vote Result
Yes 308
No 297
Majority 11

https://news.sky.com/story/live-brex...eputy-11602548

STEED

01-09-19 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2585663)

Just to add to that jim, if the government looses the vote next week Labour could call for a vote of no confidence in the government. But I suspect they will not as the DUP said in that case they would vote for the government.

STEED

01-10-19 07:19 AM

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Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn demands election to 'break deadlock'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46824125

Election part aside why is he asking other party's to support vote of no confidence in the government when the LibDem's SNP Greens have been for months telling him to do it.

Jimbuna

01-10-19 08:24 AM

Brexit debate live: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-46784460

STEED

01-10-19 09:33 AM

BREAKING BREXIT NEWS

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The former head of MI6 has written to Conservative chairs urging them to tell MPs not to back Theresa May's Brexit deal because it threatens "national security".

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...warns-11603738

That will put the cat among the pigeons. :ping:

Jimbuna

01-10-19 10:56 AM

Campaign Fear :yawn:

Jimbuna

01-10-19 12:37 PM

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Theresa May has spoken to the leaders of two of the biggest unions in the UK as she continues to try to build support for her Brexit deal.

The PM spoke to Unite's Len McCluskey and the GMB's Tim Roache by phone on Thursday in what her spokesman described as "constructive" calls.

He said Mrs May was undertaking "widespread engagement" about the deal.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46817503

Well she is certainly wasting her time and breathe there.

STEED

01-10-19 07:03 PM

Clarkson puts the boot in on Brexit leave...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ote-referendum

Jimbuna

01-11-19 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2585879)

Clarkson puts the boot in on Brexit leave...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ote-referendum

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When asked by LBC's Faye Lyons White whether he is worried about Brexit, Mr Clarkson said: “Of course, there’s nobody in Britain today who isn’t worried.

“I’ve got three children and they're in their early 20s and you look at their life and think ‘why did you not get up and vote?’

“None of them did.

“Nobody under 25 got up and voted otherwise we would be Remaining - ‘oh, I can’t be bothered’.”

So precisely who's fault is that then Jeremy?

Jimbuna

01-11-19 07:26 AM

Meanwhile, a certain other Jeremy is not as well thought of as he would have us believe...

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Jeremy Corbyn slides in approval ratings in spite of Tory schisms.

Only 25% of voters thinks Jeremy Corbyn is decisive, according to a survey, down from 31% in October. The Labour leader’s fall to his lowest score at any point since the 2017 general election came despite most voters seeing the Tory party as divided following a week of Brexit infighting.

Corbyn also recorded his lowest score for being trustworthy and someone that sticks to his principles, according to an Opinium poll of 2,016 adults online on 13 and 14 December, falling below the prime minister. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...f-tory-schisms

Jimbuna

01-11-19 09:37 AM

A bit of food for thought from an MEP

https://i.imgur.com/RfW1aHA.jpg

MGR1	01-11-19 11:37 AM

Nice one:

David Lammy MP:

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Friends on this side of the House tell me to appease Labour voters in industrial towns: the former miners, the factory workers, those who feel that they have been left behind. I say that we must not patronise them with cowardice. Let us tell them the truth. Let us tell them, “You were sold a lie. Parts of the media used your fears to sell papers and boost viewing figures. Nigel Farage and the right hon. Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip (Boris Johnson) exploited the same prejudice to win votes. Shame on them. Immigrants have not taken your jobs; our schools and colleges failed to give you skills.
Hospitals are crumbling not because of health tourists, but because of decades of austerity that ground them down to the bone. People cannot afford a house because both parties failed to build, not because Mohammed down the road moved in. Wealth was hoarded in London when it should have been shared across the country.
Blame us; blame Westminster: do not blame Brussels for our own country’s mistakes. And do not be angry at us for telling you the truth; be angry at the chancers who sold you a lie.

LINK

Mike.:hmmm:

Skybird

01-11-19 02:44 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46798281

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And this outspoken opposition [German] MP makes the striking comment that, while he says he's been lobbied by plenty of business and industry figures concerned about a no-deal Brexit, not one of them wants the German government to take a softer approach, or offer more concessions to Britain.
Neither, significantly, does the powerful German car industry. Britain is its largest export market. Manufacturers have warned that a no-deal Brexit would be profoundly damaging. Bernhard Mattes, the president of the German car manufacturers association (VDA), says that such a scenario would result in tariffs, tricky logistics, higher costs and must be avoided.
Nevertheless, when he sits down with Angela Merkel, he says, he doesn't advocate or lobby for a different approach to Britain and the negotiated Brexit deal.
"The priority for us is the remaining 27 member states, that we stay together," he says. "That has to be first priority and that we don't make concessions that would invite others to go the same way."

Say the Germans. ^

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