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Skybird 11-26-18 05:20 AM

^ Good tactic to teach criminals that they have all reason to be afraid. Criminals must learn to fear their victims, and that they can not trust that their personal wellbeing is rated higher than enforcing the law and preventing escape.

It should however always be done with active video recording so that officers know that if they exaggerate it when going for the "kill", they could be held responisble for using excessive force.


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"Die Welt" writes: "If Prime Minister Theresa May passes her now agreed deal in the House of Commons, the British will remain closely tied to the EU for years - as non-members without a say, however, and with a status of beign reduced to a powerless vasall."

"The Times" writes (retranslated from the German translation): "MEPs who reject Mays deal are actually in favor of a second EU referendum. YThey should first ask themselves if they really want that - and if it would lead to a different outcome. "


I wonder whether the fear of chaos and no deal nevertheless will make MEPs going with May, since they fear no deal more than this bad deal - even if they do not agree with a super-soft, EU-cozy Brexit at all. The past two years should have been used to prepare the UK for a hard Brexit - and literally skippin all that negotiating from beginning on. That was what I had on mind two years ago: to make sure one has a real exit, and prepares as best as one can for that. Instead, plenty of time was wasted and now no acceptable deal is there. Going with this deal is so seriously negative and to the British disadvanatge that it equals the signing of a declaration of unconditional surrender - with all future trump cards in the hands of the EU, regarding future negotiating (Backstop and the like).

We have a proverb in German: Wer A sagt, muß auch B sagen: he who said "A", also has to say "B" (in for a penny, in for a pound? I am not certain on this phrase) Thats what anti and soft Brexiteers seem to have no understood until today.

Jimbuna 11-26-18 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2578818)
That reminds me of her police blunder and speaking of the police, jim what do you think of the new tactic against scooter crime?

Love it....poetic justice as far as I'm concerned and Sky sums it up brilliantly with the following from #8644
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Good tactic to teach criminals that they have all reason to be afraid. Criminals must learn to fear their victims, and that they can not trust that their personal wellbeing is rated higher than enforcing the law and preventing escape.

It should however always be done with active video recording so that officers know that if they exaggerate it when going for the "kill", they could be held responisble for using excessive force.
That tactic would have helped me back in 90 during a high speed chase of a motorbike TWLA (Taken Without Legal Authority).

Up real close and the twunt thought breaking suddenly would force me to reciprocate, he was right but I was astride a traffic calming measure (speed bump) and had little front wheel traction therefore colliding with the bike and knocking the rider onto the ground.

No dash cams in those days so I was totally reliant on the statement of my partner and very fortunate to have one also from a nearby pedestrian.

Still got me suspended from driving for a month before the investigation cleared me of any wrongdoing though https://i.imgur.com/VqT1tCI.gif

Skybird 11-26-18 06:28 AM

Now proven: telepathic Skybird can read minds!

Jimbuna 11-26-18 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2578915)
Now proven: telepathic Skybird can read minds!

https://i.imgur.com/8oSNQrp.gif

STEED 11-26-18 06:41 AM

I agree it's like the 1970's.:)

About time these punks got some pay back.

Skybird 11-26-18 11:30 AM

Numbers' Dance:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46239782


The math simply does not work.

Jimbuna 11-26-18 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2578961)
Numbers' Dance:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46239782


The math simply does not work.

In addition to the above I have been watching Parliament Live on tv (it is still ongoing as I type this) and the grilling the PM is getting from Members of ALL persuasions makes it even more obvious she is flogging the proverbial 'dead horse'.

Much to her credit though, she is sticking to her guns....so much so I suspect she may well be painting herself into a corner and ultimately, her downfall.

STEED 11-27-18 09:07 AM

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Theresa May's Brexit deal is "doomed" and must be renegotiated, ex-defence secretary Sir Michael Fallon has said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46356353

HOW?

The EU has made it clear as a crystal ball that is it no more talks job done.

Jimbuna 11-27-18 09:09 AM

The next former Cabinet Minister to go public.

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Theresa May's Brexit deal is "doomed" and must be renegotiated, ex-defence secretary Sir Michael Fallon has said.

Sir Michael launched a scathing attack on the proposed EU agreement, saying it was the "worst of all worlds" and the PM's future was "up to colleagues".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46356353

STEED 11-27-18 09:24 AM

Beat you to it jim. :03: :haha:


SKY poll

Would you support a Brexit debate between M&C?

Yes 66%
No 34%

I would not it will be just the usual slanging match.

Catfish 11-27-18 09:42 AM

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"The question on the brexit paper was so vague as to be meaningless.
Nobody saying "but what about..". The existence of a single market has come as a surprise to many. The question of the Irish border was not raised. The cost of leaving was never mentioned.
A more honest question would have been "Do you dislike foreigners?"
:03:

Jimbuna 11-27-18 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2578905)
^ Good tactic to teach criminals that they have all reason to be afraid. Criminals must learn to fear their victims, and that they can not trust that their personal wellbeing is rated higher than enforcing the law and preventing escape.

It should however always be done with active video recording so that officers know that if they exaggerate it when going for the "kill", they could be held responisble for using excessive force.

https://i.imgur.com/mDhrYvm.jpg

STEED 11-27-18 12:46 PM

^ :haha: :haha: :up:

STEED 11-27-18 12:50 PM

Quote:

Politicians from nine countries reacted angrily to the absence of Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg at a hearing today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46357359

Far too busy harvesting personal data and selling it to the highest bidder...$ CHING CHING.




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Brexit: Theresa May denies 'giving up' on better deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46363879

Well some one has to think the impossible is possible. Unlike the rest of us who can see this deal stinks.

Jimbuna 11-28-18 07:09 AM

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All forms of Brexit will make the UK worse off but Theresa May's plan is the best available, says Philip Hammond.

Treasury analysis suggests it could leave the size of the UK economy up to 3.9% smaller after 15 years, compared with staying in the EU.

But a no-deal Brexit could deliver a 9.3% hit, the new estimates say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162
One of the PM's few supporters comes to her aid as she tries to persuade the public to instruct their MP's to vote for her terrible Brexit deal.

Catfish 11-28-18 08:09 AM

What exactly is the "terrible brexit deal"? :hmmm:
"Terrible brexit" will probably be more exact.



England will not have much say in European matters after any brexit, i guess this should be understood?

So May wants to keep England /the UK (probably to soothe Ireland and Scotland, and keep England competitive) in the single market.

The latter is obvioulsly being seen as "treacherous" by the Brits?

It is also not seen as possible by the EU, since the initial and only reason for the existence of the EU is access to the single market by its members without currency and customs problems, and a free ware and scientific exchange.

So you want to leave, but keep all advantages. Apart of a smell of cherry-picking this is most probably not possible. If the brexiters demand this they are delusional. If they say that May "wrecks" their brexit by trying to keep the UK having access to the single market they are just dumb.
I have some good advice for those big mouth brexiters: Do it yourself!

Jimbuna 11-28-18 08:42 AM

Personally, I believe the main dislikes of said deal (during the transition period) is the ECJ will continue to have the final say, it will be nigh on impossible to conduct trade deals with other countries and the real big one is the Backstop arrangement for NI.

Catfish 11-28-18 08:48 AM

Thanks :hmmm: Will have to read through this 'backstop' thiss evening, i admit i don't quite understand it, or its implications.
Whatever, Ireland was the #1 problem from day one of a "brexit". How do the brexiters want to solve this?

Jimbuna 11-28-18 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2579225)
Thanks :hmmm: Will have to read through this 'backstop' thiss evening, i admit i don't quite understand it, or its implications.
Whatever, Ireland was the #1 problem from day one of a "brexit". How do the brexiters want to solve this?

That is the million dollar question....there are a great many differing views/opinions out there.

My own is that I don't want the UK to simply crash out with no deal at all because we are allies and friends of Europe and its individual countries.

I'd far rather a compromise was reached otherwise great damage will be done to the economies of each others countries.

What that compromise should be? I couldn't honestly say but hopefully the politicians will work something out that is mutually beneficial to us all.

Irish backstop explained:https://www.ft.com/content/f18fda2e-...2-17176fbf93f5

Skybird 11-28-18 12:00 PM

Just worth to say: the leave of the UKs economic power from the bloc equals a situation as if the 18 smallest economies of the bloc would leave alltogether.


Maybe this illustrates how insane the whole conception of the EU today indeed is. I do not know one historic example where a union of so tremendously diverse economic weights has ever worked over a noteworthy ammount of time. And if Germany after three decades still cannot equalise the situation and dysbalance regarding East and West German federal states after reunification, how realistic is it to asume one could acchieve that with many more actors involved and on a continnetal level, and with much great space for national egoisms playing intrigues and abuses?


Damn. Planned. Economies.


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