Immagine if Germany turns to radical Islamism and tries to conquer Europe once more?

I do not explain it again for you.

Claudia Roth. If life has the ability to form intelligence, she is best illustration for that every rule knows exceptions. An intellectual vacuum so strong that sometime I fear she will soak up the solar system like a black hole.

Played in a punk band in her youth and then switched to politics. The instrument may have changed, the noise stayed the same. An idol of the Green party over here. Added the fourth, fifth and sixth dimensions to the formula for defining the essence moral indignation.

Repeated, sentenced offenders. You don't get the point, or do not want to get it, but thats your problem.

Well, the moment Germany tries it would find angry Polish crusaders marching West.

Comment by a mainstream newspaper commentator in Der Tagesspiegel (usually seen as a moderate conservative paper).



It's about Islam, not about refugees

by Harald Martenstein


Radical feminists and the great moguls of political correctness relativize the crimes of Cologne, because they do not fit into their worldview. A comment.



Some time ago news went around the world about rapes in India. The acts were extremely brutal and were carried out by groups of men. Of course that was bad, but one should beware of quick judgments. After all, there are rapes happening in Germany, too. Not all Indians do such a thing. And not all the perpetrators could be identified by name.


Were these pepetrators even Indians at all? Could it not have been German tourists? Considering how German tourists often behave, that is is more than likely. We must not allow getting distracted from our fight against the old FDP Macho Brüderle [who was involved in an idiotic though relatively harmless scandal of words about a chauvinistic comment he made, Skybird ] by events in India.


This is almost exactly the reasoning of radical feminism and the great moguls of political correctness, as far as it concerns the massive sexual crimes in the New Year's Eve night. That amongst long-established old Germans sexism also exists. And that at the Oktoberfest, women also would be groped (angegrapscht) by men.


That's true. But in Cologne and elsewhere sexual aggression of an in Germany previously unknown scale had been on display. Who immediately tries to relativize these crimes, proves that to him his personal images of enemies are the most important part, not the crimes that actually happened. For him [her, Skybird], there are good victims - and bad victims. Bad are all victims who do not fit into his/her personal worldview. [An annoyance? Skybird]


Woman image of Islam often leads to crime

This way of thinking has, I fear, gradually become the unofficial state religion. In government number one broadcaster, ZDF, these people already are allowed to speak Guest comments. At the height of the church abuse scandals, has a conservative church leader invited for guest commentary, so that he may put things a bit into perspective? No. There were interviews, but no commentary. For demanding this, the church is no longer powerful enough.


This reminds me of the generation of my grandparents. At that time of the Nazi crimes, there were often made quite similar comments. Sure, what happened to the Jews was bad - but the British had also built concentration camps, even earlier than the Nazis. Yes, even that is true.


This matter is not abpout refugees. It's about Islam. Islamic socialization produces an image of women that often leads to such crimes. If it would be racist to point out this link, it would also be racist to mention the relationship between Germany and the Nazis. Not all Germans, not all men and not all Muslims have been or are criminals. But when crimes are immediately relativized reflexively, this encourages the criminals of tomorrow.


And by the way: Islam is not a race. It is an ideology.



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Harald Martenstein, for Der Tagesspiegel



Could have been written by me.

My editing of Google translation. German original:

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/m.../12811028.html

Denial.:/\\!!
But it fits nicely with the comment of Harald Martenstein that Skybird posted.
The dogma is stronger than reality and things can't be that mustn't be. The Green party as been pushing for unconditional surrender to foreign cultures for decades, advertising them as enriching our culture (which to some degree is true) but also always glossing over all the problems that came with that or even demanding that we should accept those problems as normal. Now it exploded in their faces and they still don't want to see it.:/\\!!

Nothing. But that was also not what he said. He used it as an example how feminists are trying to hijack those situations for their own agenda and just blame everything on what their agenda tells them to do without any base in reality.

He knows that, Schroeder, he's just up to his usual tricks. Playing them exactly the way Martenstein pointed out: endlessly relativizing, and calling that "sensibility", "reason", "calmness", or whatever.

Exactly the kind of behaviour that has gotten us to where we are now. And preventing necessary determination - and confrontation - in the future, too. Nobody wants a confrontation. Lets be sensible about the many aspects of this. Lets reflect on it. Lets be reasonable another couple of years. How could anyone argue against being sensible, and reasonable?

Lets talk about it. Have a gremium examining it. We need to wait for another report. And a report on that report. And a report summarizing both and weighing their pros and cons against each other. We need to be sober, and sensible, and reasonable, calm-minded.

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There are just two sentences in the text that one needs to really focus on:

"Islamic socialization produces an image of women that often leads to such crimes". - I am preaching this since years and years.

Islam is not a race. It is an ideology. - Im preaching this since years and years."

An ideology. Socialisation by this ideology forms a certain - and no different - view on women, and infidel women (usually in Germany nowadays referred to by many young Islamic migrants as "bitches" and "f###meat"). Yeah, I know, not by all young Islamic migrants. But I did not say "by all", I said "by many".

The phenomenon of girls gang-raped and gang-groped in public, is nothing new in Arab countries, it is an old phenomenon, and a big problem. To my surprise, a newspaper today dared to have a an article on it, calling it by its name "taharrush gamea" (= "collective sexual harassment").

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For German readers: http://www.cuncti.net/politik/902-wo...dern-geblieben

Subjective, but still: illustrating. From what I last saw in Berlin years ago, he has a point.

And here we have the relativizing again. "It's not that bad, others do it too...". We don't have a problem with gang raping or otherwise criminal South African Christians in this country but with people of Islamic countries.
I don't care what a religion does in other countries as long as it doesn't involve me but I care for the problems here, at my home and I want them solved and not increased by mass importing more people who have shown to have a high rate of troublemakers among them.

It's not just the religion, it's the entire culture that is dominant in Islamic countries and that culture is influenced by Islam. A lot of the perpetrators where drunk which is against Islam but they come from an Islamic country and "misbehave" to the extreme here which happens all too often. Islam plays a part in setting the mindset and the culture does the rest to form a feeling of superiority especially over women and double especially over non believing women and frankly I don't care anymore whether it's the religion, the culture, bad upbringing, suppression through the evil evil evil West, a rainbow farting unicorn or a combination of all of it. I just notice that a hell lot of people from Islamic countries don't behave in acceptable ways in MY country and not just since New Years Eve but for decades now.

Are you deliberately trying to misunderstand my posts, or am I missing something?:hmm2:
Here is what I wrote: Where did I say Islam is the entire part? Where did anybody say that non Muslims don't commit crimes? I'm saying that people from Muslim countries are over proportionally involved in crimes and trouble making in MY country.

Sorry, but to me it seems you're just pointing at evil stuff in other countries and say: "Look there are problems too". Yes, there are other problems too but I don't have to deal with them HERE. The bigger picture in MY country is that we don't have issues with South African Christians (to my knowledge at least). We DO have issues with lots of people from Islamic countries who more often than any other group of people don't want to integrate into our society and don't want to respect the local rules and laws.

Here is a nice article by the magazine Cicero written by Egyptian born Hamed Abdel-Samad.
It's in German so I used google translator and corrected some of it myself:
The German original can be found here:http://www.cicero.de/berliner-republ...wortlich/60341

"That has nothing to do with Islam"


The attacks on women have something to do with Islam, says Hamed Abdel-Samad. The strict sexual morality that hierarchy and gender apartheid often causes the contrary. A religion that sees the woman as either possession or risk, is part of the problem


One does not have to take a stand on all issues. Especially when not all the facts and details are on the table. I have not expressed myself so far to the events in Cologne, because I go near the issue emotionally, and I prefer to give my judgment, instead of making my feelings public. Nevertheless, I want to say a few words on the subject of sexual harassment as a whole.

I come from Egypt, where sexual harassment of women has reached an unsustainable level, because at the beginning we had this phenomenon either concealed or downplayed. On the one hand we did not want to admit that in a supposedly moral-religious society, many women are sexually harassed. Secondly, we were afraid of negative impacts on tourism, which is one of the main sources of income of the country. They even went further and made the victims responsible for the phenomenon themselves. Because of how they dressed. The hypocrisy and fear for their image had led to a small phenomenon becoming an epidemic. About 95 percent of Egyptian women report today from everyday experiences with sexual harassment and coercion.


This has nothing to do with Islam?

I have tried to explain the causes of this epidemic in my books,. Especially I followed the question of how far the phenomenon has to do with Islam.

I was in Egypt and Morocco and witnessed some cases of collective harassment. Almost without exception, it was not by religious young people, but by small groups that were often under the influence of drugs. It is forbidden to a devout Muslim to touch a women who isn't ones wife, even if it is one's own fiancée. Devout Muslims aren't even allowed to shake hands with women. Salafists in Egypt even think that a man on the bus must not occupy the seat, a woman has just left, because the warmth of her body could excite him sexually.

Nevertheless, or perhaps because of it, you can not say that sexual harassment has nothing to do with Islam. Because this strict sexual morality that hierarchy and gender apartheid is does often turn the contrary. A religion that sees the woman as either possession of the man, or as a threat to his morale is partly responsible.

40 years ago, hardly a woman in Cairo wore a headscarf. Public sexual harassment that time was almost nonexistent. Today, hardly a woman is unveiled, yet women are harassed and groped on the street. This applies to Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the same for most other Islamic countries, which are on the top list of sexual harassment in the world. Even in rich Saudi Arabia, the phenomenon is widespread. One could suspect a direct correlation between veiling and sexual harassment here. It has to do with the real existing Islam, but not only. Even in India, the epidemic is widespread. It has primarily to do with hierarchy and with a culture, that considers women to be inferior. Therefore, India must not be used as an example in order to relativize the problem among Muslims.


Porn star from the Internet

The young generation in the Muslim world has grown up in a duality. At home and in the mosque it is morally strict upbringing. Men and women have little chance to build a healthy, balanced relationship. On the Internet, however, they experience a world in which there are no boundaries between man and woman, in which there is no fixed morality. Islamic countries are the at the top of the list of consumption of porn videos. This duality creates a disturbed relationship of men to women. From this duality also many young Muslims are affected, who live in closed communities in Europe and are still exposed to the seductions of an open society.

We've experienced many years of disintegration in the Arab world. This leads to more individualization. By dissolution, and individualization processes four phenomena were accelerated: terrorism, the protest movement, emigration and sexual harassment. All four phenomena are due to the rapid social change. Neither the state nor the family can fulfill promises to its own subjects or members any more. Neither state nor family have their subjects under control any more. All four groups feel robbed of their right to a dignified life from their own countries and from all over the world. So they take to the streets or take a trip over the ocean and want to pick up with their own hands what they think they deserve.

Many young Arabs leave their country perishing and come to Europe. The majority of them want to live in peace and prosperity. But many of them also come with the epidemic of duality in their luggage: with the hope of Europe and the contempt of it's values. With conservative morality and the desire for freedom and freedom of movement. Since then suddenly the community is lacking in the West who can monitor their moral behavior, they freak out, organize themselves into small groups and make spare Communities. Some are Salafists, the others are dealers, street thieves or gropers. Some see in the European men only the crusaders who want to destroy Islam, the others see in the women only the porn star that they saw earlier on the Internet.


We need to talk!
Germany must not repeat the mistake that were done in Egypt. No holding back of evidence out of fear for generalization and abuse from the right wing movments. Of course, not all Muslims, and not all refugees can be blamed for the crimes of a small group, but precisely this majority of Muslims are now asked to devote themselves finally to these problems of their own communities. Instead of forgetting the real victims after every incident and calling themselves and their peaceful Islam the victims time and again! I wish we had more honesty in terms of sexual morality and the potential for violence in Islam.

And if Germany does not want the topics of Islam and refugees are exploited by the right edge, then it has to finally put hese topics in the mainstream of society and talk openly and honestly about it! Whether fundamentalism or sexual harassment whether refusal to integrate or crime - we have serious problems. To hush up and to whitewash will make everything worse!

Mrs. Merkel, Mr. Interior Minister, take over from here!

Good man, Hamed-Samad. I quoted him myself repeatedly. I met him once, some years ago, and we had 5-10 minutes of chatter during a break at where he held a speech and signed books. Back then he still had some hopes due to the Arab Spring. He has woken up to reality since then, it seems. His latest books speak Tacheless, and thus are pretty much hated in Germany, especially by the politically correct establishment. But he knows his stuff -and from both sides of the fence, since he was member of the Muslim brotherhood, once. Being the son of a not really moderate Egyptian cleric quite well-known in Egypt , having come to Europe while fleeing from sexual abuse (he was raped as a juvenile) and in his own self-description filled from head to toe with dripping hate and despise for Western values and freedom, he did a tremendous metarmophosis. He is not shy to admit that he was an utmost radical fanatic himself back then. Until some time ago he taught oriental history at the Jewish (!) Institute in Munich, and holds high interest in Buddhism and Japanese culture. He lives protected by Bodyguards. High-ranking "academic" and religious authorities in Egypt have issued a fatwa against him, calling for his murder.

The titles of his latest books speak volumes on why German establishment and Islam-appeasers hate him so much: "Islamischer Faschismus. Eine Analyse", and "Mohamed - Eine Abrechnung." Good readings, btw. Very sharp, and unforgiving. No comparison to his tame autobiographic first book "Farewell to Heaven". I always burst in laughter when some well-meaning idiots try to explain to him what the difference between Islam and "Islamism" is and how a religious fanatic ticks. He has been that himself. Tell a bird how to fly or a fish how to swim in the sea!

Hamed-Samad leaves no doubt on it. He does not hide that he sees Islam as totalitarian (like I do), and non-reformable (like I do) - to see it differently, he writes, means to already miss the very starting point of why this ideology even exists - not to mention its content.

He writes the only way for migrants in the West to arrive in the modern time, is to bypass Islam as-it-is, and to form newly an adapated set of pragmatic humanist values, pragmatically, on basis of everyday needs and everyday-life-lessons.

But that, what you get then, is no Islam anymore. That's what he does not say (but I say since years). That is what its about: not "reforming" an existing religious ideology, but to replace it with a new one.

I always said so, since years: that Islam is non-reformable, here him and me fully agree. And that it instead needs to be completely replaced, I also say since always. He avoids putting it that clearly, as far as I know at least, but this conclusion is the only consequence he can draw when saying Islam cannot be reformed, every other conclusion would be inconsistent. Maybe he is hesitent to put it that frankly for concerns over his own and his wife'S security. He already has enough hornets buzzing around his head. I donÄT know, to me it makes no sense.

He defends the military's crackdown against the Muslim Brotherhood and Mursi, saying the West's demands for democratical participation of the MB in Egyptian politics is hoplessly naive. So a lack of realism or determination cannot be the cause for his lacking clearness on this question.