If only Mr Johnson would have been at the helm, all this time :hmmm:

Well I'm certainly no fan of his but he's certainly coming to the fore now that the chips are down.

I'm sticking with my original prediction that a last minute deal will be struck but I'm certainly not in favour of the present deal on offer should the current predictions prove accurate.

What is the current deal then. I have no idea. The problem is Ireland, since day one. I have the impression that the problem is brexit itself, not the negotiators. You cannot sit around a blue lake and talk it into being green.

The current deal is pure speculation atm but if what Johnson and Mogg are stating turns out to be correct then it will place the UK in a worse position than she is currently in and that in itself would be undemocratic and totally unnaceptable.

WELCOME TO STEED'S CRYSTAL BALL PREDICTIONS FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

PM May will not stand down or be pushed to go.

Not one cabinet minister will step down

PM May will get it though the HoC.

:)

Don't know yet but what is known its 500 pages long.

I am sick and tired of Boris Mog and all the rest bleating like sheep and not getting off their fat arses doing something about it.

Typical politicians strutting around like peacocks on the media stage.

So no one knows how or what the deal is, but the deal is bad, because .. what? Because Johnson says it? I am trying very hard not to get more cynical, or sarcastic.
It does not matter whether soft or hard brexit, that England and the whole UK will be bader off trade-wise than before is not exactly rocket science.

On behalf of Catfish

OH SHUT UP!

:03: :) :haha:

I still cannot imagine a solution to the Irish question acceptable to the EU that would not be at the cost of the UK, and I still cannot imagine a solution acceptable to the UK being agreed to by the EU.

If now the EU did agree to this deal, it means it must be messy for the UK.

I expect to learn the deal hollows out the very idea of Brexit. And maybe that was the plan from all beginning on, I never trusted May. I expect to learn that the UK is worse off than before with this.

In other words: I expect to learn that it all is just a ridiculous farce whose authors try to get away with it. And that the EU is the big victor in this.

I expected more drive and resolve from Britain when all this started over one and a half years ago. Apparently I overestimated it. Well: I learn the lesson.

Most likely there is a wishy-washy wording on Ireland and a temporary solution but with open ends that silently will simply be handled like becoming a final solution. Same business than before, just with the UK having lost even more influence and rights. If the people let Mayget away with this, than they indeed deserve nothing better than this. Storming Downing Street and burning it down in self defence, sounds more legitimate every second.

^ since you care so much for "individuality" and the "suppressed", may i remind that Ireland was against a brexit, as was Scotland.

I can't see the EU to be the "victor" without England or the UK taking part in international trade decisions of the EU, when it comes to advice, negotiating and common sense.


@Steed :haha: ok

Different to some other examples, the Northern Irish also voted for staying with the UK. At least Jim said so - if you remember, I asked him on right this just a week ago or so. Must be in this thread. Look it up.


When they say they do not want to separate from the UK, why should the Northern Irish people have the right to overrule the referendum'S majoirty for Brexit?


If the Irish say they want to separate, they have my support (like I also said before about the Scottish), I only insist that they carry their own burden and do not let their bills paid by us.


No people or govrnment has the right to enforce its rule on another people that does not want to be governed by them. Not the Spaniard and Catalonia. Not the Brits and Scotland, Norther Ireland. (Not the Bavarians/Lower Saxons/etc etc, and Germany). Such a right can never be a right since it is a most serious violation of natural human rights. It means owning people, and that is called slavery.

^?
Northern Ireland: Remain in EU 55,8 percent; leave 44,2 percent.

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-vote-brexit

"England will not agree to any deal which results in Northern Ireland being treated differently from the rest of the United Kingdom."

I wonder how Mr Johnson would solve this. My take is he cannot, and he does not want to. Insult and smear and criticize, and run away when responsibility calls. Leave the mess you yourself created to others, and then criticize them again when they try to make the best of it.
Even if they called your bluff, and lies. God-awful.

A high chance of being wrong on all three.

Oh but they will....like voting against the deal in the HoC.

Agreed but so will the EU.

A no deal is not good for anyone.

Most worrying if true and hopefully the death knell for May.

Looking good on my first point and no ministers depart by 7:50pm then that will be two out of three. We will have to wait for my third one.

I see no angry faces on the Tory front bench but I do see them on Labour's front bench.