Thanks. I never knew how to call them :up:

To be honest, I think Europe's fate is already written. Nothing will change, or stop, what has been started due to a venomous mixture of typical German 'Scheuklappendenken' and the fact that the politicians don't realize the threat behind the current movements.
And even if... what could they do? Refuse them? Probably even illegal, I don't know. Köln and Hamburg was just the beginning, I am certain of that. Can't be long from now until the first terror attacks happen here as well. We have been so awfully close multiple times now, this is scary.
"Brace yourselves..." ?! :doh:

Well, I guess I'm just irrational and paranoid - nevermind the pictures we can see on the internet - but never on German television. :hmmm:
I don't know an awful lot, not a smart person so I might be completely wrong/off/ill-informed/whatever - but I have to admit that for the first time in my life, I do not feel safe in regards of myself, my home, property and country, when I think about the future. :-?

New story opening the papers today: on New Year'S Eve, in Bielefeld, a mob of 500 men - who this time explicitly get described not as "of "Northafrican looks", but as migrants - , tried to storm a disco by violent means. The security had to call for police assistance. Fire in the streets. Police reports mention an amount of dissapearance of inhibition and readiness to turn violent that was "unseen as anything ever before". Several women got groped and sexually harassed, the dimension of this aspect still is unknown, but keeps growing in the police's realization since now complaints by women started to come in. Several arrests were made that night, police was put to the very limits.

As I said, it was not just Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart, but was across the whole country, it seems, just the dimension of events varies. If you look into smaller, regional newspapers, you can note it.

Many people in Germany still want to solve the problem by enforcing a total silence about it. If it is out of sight, then it does not exist, so their logic. On German Facebook and Twitter, a movement has formed up that wants to repalce the original statement I give below, by the interior minister of North Rhine-Westphalia.

The man said:

„Wir nehmen es nicht hin, dass sich nordafrikanische Männergruppen organisieren, um wehrlose Frauen mit dreisten sexuellen Attacken zu erniedrigen.“

Translation:
We do not accept that northafrican groups of men organse themselves in mobs to humiliate defenceless women by acts of brazen sexual assault.

They demand another language terminology, and they get thousands and thousands and thosuands of likes for it:

"Wir nehmen es nicht hin, dass Männer Frauen mit dreisten sexuellen Attacken erniedrigen."

Translated:
We do not accept that men humiliate defenceless women by acts of brazen sexual assault.

The complete context of the events in Cologne - and elsewhere - got deleted, all reference to certain groups of migrants being at the core of the events, got "corrected".

A base mechanism that gets used an awful lot over here.

You may think this is just persnicketiness from my side. It is not, it is symptomatic for the way certain huge groups in society try to stick to their naive ideas of the noble savage, and to our naive migration policy, and our naive view on a certain foreign culture that got stuck in a time over thousand years ago. They do so by denial, distraction and deflection.

There have been several terror attempts that got spoiled at last minute, not just since Paris, but in the whole past years. It almost always were information given by foreign intel services, not ours. If these attacks would have been successful, we would have had half a dozen serious ones, with dozens if not hundreds dead.

We once again benefit from the competence of others, and others doing the dirty work. Dirty work that we morally complain about nevertheless.

If I were you, I would say "F## the Germans", and would let us face what is coming for us, to teach us the lesson.

I know that hoax, but it is misplaced here. The events described were real for sure. And some women and girls paid for it, some police officers too.

How do we define "terrorism"?

After the attacks in Paris last November I saw some news where Youtube - videos were shown which were made by the IS. Some of their (= IS members) messages were translated like: "However you can beat them (= Europe and Europeans), just do it. Use knives, sticks, stones, firearms, whatever you can carry..."

So if we can agree on a definition for the term "terrorism" that includes spreading fear in our society on a large scale, being physically that violent to the fragile ones in our society on a large scale, not respecting our constitution and their forces (any citizen is to stick to those rules),

then we have terrorism here in Germany already - and victims.

Tougher laws is always the first thing politicians call for. They mean nothing if the police is not able to enforce them. And when they will be eroded from within when courts do not implement them due to "social concerns".

The one-week-sentence for the two repeated offenders I referred to yesterday. Why are the given the benefit of doubt or another second chance when they already have demonstrated to be repeated, the one guy even a multiple - offenders...? Have been sentenced before?

When I give a party, and pay the champagne and food and the band, and have all the work to organise it, and then I surprise one of the guests, or several, when they put my silver spoons in their pockets or raping my female guests - why even considering a second chance in the first? I get back my spoons, and they fly out of my house immediately - either through the door or through the window. And done I am with them. Why am I expected to worry about their social perspective, or what lack their absence will mean for my party? They won't be missed at all, that is the simple truth. Guests like these nobody needs, guests like these are a PITA, nothing else. I do not care whether they have worrying parents, and families at overseas. I just do not care. And why should I? They should have thought about that before stealing my silver. And if some international convention for correctly partying demands me to kick out a thief only after I caught him for the third time stealing my belongings, then I am sure that the paper it is printed on can serve wonderfully to help me lightening the fire in my chimney when the afternoons start to become shorter again.

You know Europe is doomed when Skybird is talking sense :dead:

Yes, its all my guilt. :D

According to my mother it's mine.

Actually after watching stuff like Brit Cops or Traffic Cops on Youtube I would rather say they would get out without anything whatsoever. They sometimes even let owners of cannabis plantations go free...:doh:
Actually I believe that being a cop in the UK must be among the most frustrating jobs on this planet.:/\\!!

I have not said anything different. I said they are suspected to have participated in the NYE assaults, but were arrested and sentenced for stealing a cellphone on January 3rd - , and that they were repeated offenders already, having shoplifted before (the one guy once, the other guy being a multiple offender in several no further described cases). Point is: they both were already charged and sentenced before, the one guy repeatedly, being known by the police to have a long record with the police. That they are also suspects in the NYE events, is an additional point and should have been given more weight considering their established police records. You cannot give such people the benefit of doubt anymore. Their repeated earlier guilt has been found as "proven".

I don't know what point you want to make there, it seems to me you have none.

Number of complains filed in Cologne now over 380, still rising.

Various media now report - once again; I had given that story already several days ago - about official orders to the police to systematically hide from the public any migration background oif suspects in crime cases reported by the media. This shozukld have been the cas ein several federal states. Thewir interior ministrie sof course deny that, but it is polcie officers renying the poltical claim, saying that they had received formal order to stop all investigation and to let of complaints dissapear in the drawers when the suspects would be found to be migrants.

The attacker in Paris who attacked a police station some days ago with an axe, lived in a refugee home in Recklinghausen, Germany. There are private photos showing that inside the camp he posed with an IS flag.