SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

SUBSIM Radio Room Forums (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/index.php)
-   General Topics (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=175)
-   -   Here we go again-Ukraine once again (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=249066)

mapuc 09-10-22 05:52 PM

In Sweden they have several steps in mobilisation

Step - Red-Here the Entire Air force is put up to highest alert and some of the navy is also put on highest alert.

Step - Yellow(or was it Orange)Air force highest alert together with the navy
.
.
.
.
Step - White Full mobilisation.

So Putin could active his air force make a full mobilisation it.

Markus

Dargo 09-10-22 06:19 PM

Only _today_ Ukraine has captured more tanks and howitzers from the Russians than Germany delivered to Ukraine in over six months. Let this sink in. https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/st...13535227658240

Dargo 09-10-22 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2827081)
In Sweden they have several steps in mobilisation

Step - Red-Here the Entire Air force is put up to highest alert and some of the navy is also put on highest alert.

Step - Yellow(or was it Orange)Air force highest alert together with the navy
.
.
.
.
Step - White Full mobilisation.

So Putin could active his air force make a full mobilisation it.

Markus

But he did not, lost more terrain in a couple of days than he gained in months, mobilization is not the magical wand will take Russia months to prepare a new army. Russia will likely reroute units from other fronts to strengthen the east front, but that will weaken the other fronts where Ukraine will start attacks this is really the time when Ukraine is dealing hefty blows. And now Russians have to start thinking what they are going to do. Putin doesn't have that many good options left. The most sensible thing from a military point of view is to retreat behind defensible positions to get the lines back in order. But then he has to give up quite a lot of territory, which the troops have fought very hard for. His other option is: escalate by actually gathering a lot more manpower by mobilizing. But that would be very unpopular domestically.

There is much discontent in Russia, even on blogs of Russian supporters of the war. Few believe that Russia can recapture the lost positions in Kharkov, and some even foresee a complete defeat. According to Putin, "nothing has been lost" that's hard to sustain after today, but Putin is not someone who gives up easily, Putin will first be furious with his military leadership. People will get a good beating, maybe heads will roll. But he will also want to come up with a military strategy to retaliate.

mapuc 09-10-22 06:44 PM

Dargo wrote
"But he will also want to come up with a military strategy to retaliate."

Since the start of this offensive and the success I had this fear what Putin may do.

I pray he accept the lost and withdraw from Ukraine to where Ukraine had their border in 1991.

My fear he escalate the war-Be prepared for anything even nukes and/or Chemical.

Markus

Dargo 09-10-22 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2827088)
Dargo wrote
"But he will also want to come up with a military strategy to retaliate."

Since the start of this offensive and the success I had this fear what Putin may do.

I pray he accept the lost and withdraw from Ukraine to where Ukraine had their border in 1991.

My fear he escalate the war-Be prepared for anything even nukes and/or Chemical.

Markus

It will not be nuclear Russia knows this has consequences they can not take, that said retaliation will be horror same doctrine of destroying cities military Putin failed so he gone be his horrible self and be Vlad the slaughter of civilians. I see no wunderwaffe in Russia that can turn the tide for Russia in a short time, no stock of grenades or barrels have brought him any success.

mapuc 09-10-22 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2827089)
It will not be nuclear Russia knows this has consequences they can not take, that said retaliation will be horror same doctrine of destroying cities military Putin failed so he gone be his horrible self and be Vlad the slaughter of civilians. I see no wunderwaffe in Russia that can turn the tide for Russia in a short time, no stock of grenades or barrels have brought him any success.

Guess you're correct on this.

You could also be correct on what Putin may do as a retaliation

Markus

Dargo 09-10-22 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2827093)
Guess you're correct on this.

You could also be correct on what Putin may do as a retaliation

Markus

I wonder how the reaction is on his explanation on the second-strongest military in the world to the second-strongest military... in Ukraine will be :D

Schroeder 09-11-22 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2827085)
Only _today_ Ukraine has captured more tanks and howitzers from the Russians than Germany delivered to Ukraine in over six months. Let this sink in. https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/st...13535227658240

That doesn't mean much though considering that our chancellor is firmly on the brakes when it comes to supplying Ukraine with heavy equipment. To my knowledge we didn't deliver a single tank and just 7 self propelled howitzers and a hand full of self propelled anti aircraft artillery systems. Shameful in my opinion.


So yes, you seize the equivalent of one company of heavy equipment and you have more than Germany has delivered in 6 months.:/\\!!

Skybird 09-11-22 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2827079)
From september 8th, but i wonder ..
Local St. Petersburg Deputies Urge Putin be Removed

https://www.kyivpost.com/russia/loca...e-removed.html

Unlikely that it has consequences for Putin, but maybe for tbe deputies. They better stay away from open window and high roof tops from now on.

mapuc 09-11-22 06:22 AM

Quote:

Day 200 of my 3 day war. The Russian army advances rearwards exactly as planned while Ukrainian military flees in a panic chasing after it.

I remain a master strategist.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/st...29928023400448

Markus

Jimbuna 09-11-22 06:35 AM

Putin Faces Second Revolt as Russian Officials Slam War, Demand Resignation

AMoscow municipality has become the second Russian local authority this week to take the risk of calling for Vladimir Putin's resignation.

The letter addressed to the president by council deputies at Lomonosovsky Municipal District did not directly mention Putin's invasion of Ukraine, but did refer to how Russia had now become "feared and hated" while "aggression" has taken the country back to the "Cold War era."

The letter also made a pointed criticism of the length of Putin's presidency, describing how following local Moscow elections on Sunday, it was a good thing that the council's membership would change after five years.

"In countries with regular turnover of power, people, on average, live better and longer than in those where the leader leaves office carried out in a box," it said.

Putin became president in 2000, a role he has held apart from four years between 2008 and 2012, when Dmitry Medvedev took over in what was seen globally as a move just to keep his seat warm. Upon resuming the presidency in 2012, the Russian constitution has been changed to allow him to potentially stay as head of state until 2036.

The missive went on to say there had been "good reforms" in the first and part of the second of Putin's terms, but after that "somehow everything went wrong." It referred to Russia's brain drain, how the minimum wage and GDP did not rise enough and the "promised stability is not in sight."

"The rhetoric that you and your subordinates are using has been riddled with intolerance and aggression for a long time, which in the end effectively threw our country back into the Cold War era," the letter said.

"Russia has again begun to be feared and hated, we again threaten the whole world with nuclear weapons," it added. "We ask you to relieve yourself of your post due to the fact that your views, your management model are hopelessly outdated and hinder the development of Russia and its human potential."

Journalist and Russia watcher Julia Davis tweeted how the council had voted on the motion and produced the letter, which was also reported by the independent Russian-language news outlet The Insider.

"Criticism of Putin is rare, & while the two motions were little more than symbolic statements, they represented a remarkable public rebuke," Davis wrote.

Newsweek has contacted the Kremlin and Lomonosovsky Municipal District Council for comment.

Criticizing Putin so brazenly carries a considerable risk where dissent can lead to imprisonment or worse. Police in St Petersburg have said they would charge lawmakers at Smolninsky District Council in Putin's home town after they called for the president to be charged with treason.

The district council's statement came in the form of a request to the Russian parliament, the State Duma, and said Putin's invasion led to a massive loss of life, disabled veterans, hindered the national economy, and fast-tracked NATO's eastward expansion. Police said they face charges linked to "discrediting" the Russian government,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...out&li=AAnZ9Ug

Rockstar 09-11-22 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2827139)
Unlikely that it has consequences for Putin, but maybe for tbe deputies. They better stay away from open window and high roof tops from now on.

Truly an immediate concern for those dissenting deputies. But to others it’s seen as rumblings which will eventually lead towards the break-up of the Russia Federation in the not too distant future.

Jimbuna 09-11-22 06:42 AM

Vladimir Putin Faces Major Backlash After Paying Tribute To The Queen

Messages of condolences and tributes have been pouring in from across the world in the wake of Queen Elizabeth II's death. Russian president Vladimir Putin was no different, despite the tenuous relationship between Russia and the United Kingdom.

In a letter to King Charles III, Putin penned that the queen "rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage," per the New York Post. Putin wrote that he wished King Charles III "courage and resilience in the face of this difficult irreparable loss," adding that he hoped the king to "pass on sincere condolences and support to members of the royal family and the entire people of Great Britain."

President Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said Queen Elizabeth II had "wisdom and authority," which he believes "are in very short supply on the international stage at the moment," per Reuters. According to the Daily Mail, President Putin will not be attending the queen's funeral on September 19.

At the British Embassy in Moscow, Reuters reports flowers, candles, and other tributes to the queen have been left since the announcement of her death. Queen Elizabeth was the only British monarch to visit Russia, per the New York Post.

One person who will be happy is Piers Morgan, who was quoted by the New York Post as saying the Russian president could "stick [his] condolences where the sun don't shine" and that it was the loss of lives in Ukraine that Morgan was concerned about.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...out&li=AAnZ9Ug

Jimbuna 09-11-22 06:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIcxTZrP9U8

Jimbuna 09-11-22 07:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qopvCvRra4


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:29 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.