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Rockin Robbins 01-14-16 09:25 AM

Here's what you need to know about the latest batch of updates according to Woody at Infoworld:

Quote:

MS-DEFCON 2:

Patch reliability is unclear. Unless you have an immediate, pressing need to install a specific patch, don't do it.

Reminder: Why is this so? It is because Microsoft in their play for trust and transparency (little irony there....) has quit describing their updates at all. They are black boxes and until they are analyzed we can't say what they do. Up to just a couple months ago, with every update, Microsoft supplied detailed information about the functionality of each update so we could decide for ourselves whether we wanted to use that update or not.

Now, fortunately, Microsoft sees us as hapless gawkers around a public hanging and themselves as pickpockets. Telling us what they are up to would keep them from picking our pockets, so OF COURSE they have nothing to say.

Has Apple bought controlling interest in Microsoft with the aim of taking them down? It's the simplest explanation why a company would commit willing suicide as Microsoft is. I thought the backlash for Vista was fierce. This makes it look like the Summer of Love.

Skybird 01-14-16 09:55 AM

As I said in Woody's forum, and he agreed: I assume MS obeys orders.

If you assume that for a moment, and consider what the official intel policies are that are being run, and what legal claims are made by various government offices for controlling the WWW, and what government agencies have even openly admitted they want to achieve in global control and enforcing access to every existing PC system in the globe: - then what confuses you about MS campaign all of a sudden falls into a logically assigned place, and it all makes perfect sense, all of a sudden.

This is not about the famous quote by A.C. Doyle (Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth), it does not really apply here - but this is about Occam's razor. That simple. It is the simpliest and most potent explanation that explains all contradictions there appear to be.

STEED 01-14-16 01:45 PM

As said I made a note of them and they are on hold until I get more info on them. I have no interest having a nasty KB malnagspyware on my OS thank you.

Skybird 01-15-16 07:45 AM

Microsoft announces that hunting season to bring down its victims is about to be stepped up.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/302...html?nsdr=true

I do not know what should stun me more. The behaviour of MS - or that so many users still excuse MS and submit to them instead of storming Redmont, throwing their executives out of the windows (pardon the pun) and setting their HQ ablaze.

Rockin Robbins 01-15-16 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2373641)
Microsoft announces that hunting season to bring down its victims is about to be stepped up.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/302...html?nsdr=true

I do not know what should stun me more. The behaviour of MS - or that so many users still excuse MS and submit to them instead of storming Redmont, throwing their executives out of the windows (pardon the pun) and setting their HQ ablaze.

That is nothing very surprising, but think about this. These domain joined computers are commercial in nature. XYZ corporation has 300 computers joined to its domain and a full-time IT department administering it.

It's vitally important that all the computers be configured the way the IT department wishes. It's very important that these computers all run the same licensed version of Windows that the corporation spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for a domain license.

Now these individual computers start getting ways to install Windows 10 with one keypress. The company probably runs proprietary software which requires them to run Windows 7. If Microsoft defeats all the safety settings and actually allows these domain computers to install Windows 10 against the policy of their IT department I'll bet they begin research on how to implement Linux, as NASA did. IT departments demand complete control over their domain because the survival of the company who pays them is dependent on it. Typically they intercept Windows Updates, research and pass them out themselves if they want their computers running those updates.

This is a meaningless move to us with no additional hazard, but it is deadly to the trust which is the true currency of Microsoft's commercial business.

As far as the Occam's Razor stuff, the theory that Apple has bought controlling interest in Microsoft and is actively seeking to destroy them is at least as simple and more plausible than the government conspiracy angle. Successful commercial espionage is more likely than effective government control.

Skybird 01-15-16 09:58 AM

Counter terrorism is the smaller share of what counter terrorismä-legislation is about, Robbins. It's the alibi to widen business espionage (and cutting civil rights and widen citizen control) - that is what it is about in the main. Think of it. Cloud computing, with servers in the US, falling under US legislation, known as well as secret legislation. OS produced by American companies, running on most networks in the world, but again Ameican legislation being the controlling authority. Most companies using Windows. It is naive to assume the US will not only not use the opportuntity, but does not also try to widen the abuse. OF COURSE it does. Every state would, because states - are states. Of course American intel agencies spy on "allied" nations. Of course the yoverhear friendly government communications.

Don't assume that Snowden was just a collective hallucination. Why do you think they want his head? Becasue he has stoledn just anything? Every politicians steals from his voters, and nobody calls for their heads, but defends the system by which they act.

Some months ago some high ranking official or even the head of the NSA himself even admitted that it is official policy that the US claims the right to secure it can access any computer system in the world, anywhere, no matter regional laws. That is as much "conspiration theory" as is the legal fact that some weeks ago Obama signed law that demand all nations of the Earth that when they want to claim parts of space or on other planets or the moon, they have to ask the US authority first. They say it is for "coordinating claims" only. LOL. Sure. Truth is the US implies by this authority it wants to reserve for itself that all cosmos is its own - else it would not be the authority other soveriogn nations have to ask for permission first. China and Russia will not even care to mind for this, of course. Of Europeans, I am not so certain.

Real and valid law stuff, Robbins. No conspiration theory at all.

Of this Apple-Microsoft thing you refer to, I know nothing. Never cared for Apple, never.

Rockin Robbins 01-15-16 10:50 AM

Yes, Apple leaves me cold too. It's essentially a totalitarian police state. And it's not chaotic enough for my taste. In the PC world, there are a million ideas flying around every whichway and you can highly customize your computer as a result. Sure there are things that don't work so well, but that's part of the adventure.

It partially prepares you for Linux, where the possibilies multiply beyond belief. If you demand a strictly regimented world, Apple is your company. I systematically resist regimentation and have no interest in Apple.

Chaos, while disorienting and confusing, opens up possibilities for advancement while regimentation squashes most of them. I embrace chaos as the most efficient method for bringing top quality, lowest prices and user choice.

STEED 01-15-16 06:01 PM

Quote:

In a recent Q&A, Microsoft marketing chief Chris Capossela made no apologies for his company’s approach which, he says, is being done to get users to a "safer place" and explained that there are some people out there who “kick the can down the street" and need a push to get the upgrade done.
http://betanews.com/2016/01/14/micro...-like-malware/

SAFER PLACE! :huh:

NEED A PUSH TO GET THE UPGRADE DONE! :huh:

The Prisoner - I am not a Number
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0LaT6qVRpg

Clearly we now know the real No.1 behind the red phone..MicroSoft. :damn:

Skybird 01-15-16 06:41 PM

Such amount of arrogance I can only describe as severly deranged personality.

That psychopathic traits are overrepresented in career-runners of politics and business, is no new find in social sciences - serious.

And yes, such people can be dangerous. Psychopaths have no scruples and do not understand the concept of empathy, and morals. Their biological base equipment that mother nature provided them with, does not include the needed upgrades. Their defectiveness in principle is an evolutional uncompleteness.

Rockin Robbins 01-15-16 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2373842)
Such amount of arrogance I can only describe as severly deranged personality.

That psychopathic traits are overrepresented in career-runners of politics and business, is no new find in social sciences - serious.

And yes, such people can be dangerous. Psychopaths have no scruples and do not understand the concept of empathy, and morals. Their biological base equipment that mother nature provided them with, does not include the needed upgrades. Their defectiveness in principle is an evolutional uncompleteness.

And partly because they have no scruples, no limits, 100% commitment, they tend to be very successful. Normal, decently functioning people are even taught to imitate them, envy them and duplicate their "achievements."

Our corporations, labor unions and governments are full of these monsters, who have achieved far more than they should have been permitted. But they are our creatures, produced by our wants and desires, and they feed on us.

They have successfully made us socialists, thinking that private enterprise is evil, conservatives, thinking that government and labor unions are evil, and other groups thinking it is specific groups which are evil. In fact groups are always morally neutral. Their orientation is the goodness or evil of the people who make them up. Evil is an equal opportunity glutton. It cares not whether it inhabits organized crime, organized labor, organized government, organized business, philanthropic organizations, churches, social welfare organizations, schools or police departments. There is no organization so good that it cannot be corrupted to do evil.

So we are all fighting about the wrong thing entirely. Socialists, conservatives, fascists, communists are all completely wrong. The enemy is evil people and they are everywhere. The solution is to make a world where they do not get ahead. Instead we put them in charge of everything and wonder how things went so bad.

Skybird 01-15-16 10:23 PM

Psychopathic traits in context of the job world are exaggerated extremes of traits needed to survive competition and come out as the winner.

Its just that we let it go way too far. I will not attack egoism, it is necessary and one of the key ingredients of capitalism and free market, also a key evolutionary drive to secure own survival and reproducing. But there is a problem.

The problem is about Paracelsus: the right dose. Too much of anything turns everything into a poison. You can die even of oxygen poisoning, even water poisoning (by drinking, not drowning).

I like Roland Baader's definition of what libertarianism is: "Liberalismus ist keine Religion, keine Weltanschauung, keine Sonderinteressen-Partei. Liberalismus ist einfach die Lehre von der friedlichen Entwicklung der Menschen in einer freien Gesellschaft." - Liberalism (=libertarianism) is no religion, no Weltanschauung, no special-rights party. Liberalism simply is the teaching of peaceful developing of human beings in a free society."A certain egoism necessarily is part of that, else major drives in man would not work well anymore. Like you shall not limit the functions of a hand to only certain activites, while banning all other kinds of movements. Or trying to control the thinking of people. If you nevertheless try that, at best you create loss and lack of skills and abilities, at worst you create fanatics, and their brutal excesses. Those politics and business psychopaths are close to the latter.

STEED 01-16-16 06:17 AM

A friend of mind was thinking MS was just being a little pushy but after reading that link I sent him he now thinks they are sick. How dare they say I need a push! Excuse me I will make my mind up for myself but MS tactics have been underhanded so no I will not, even if I put the spyware issue aside. As for that BS about a safer place give me a break will you! :hulk:

Rockin Robbins 01-16-16 08:15 AM

If they are right about needing to push people into a product so bad that they would never choose it for themselves, they are wrong about exactly where they are pushing people. When the veil is lifted they are pushing people completely away from Microsoft!

These people are traitors to the corporation they pretend to serve.

STEED 01-29-16 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2372807)
Just checked again and they are up.

Win8.1
Important
KB 3124275 IE11 not needed by me
KB 3109560
KB 3109853
KB 3110329
KB 3121212
KB 3121918
KB 3123479
KB 3124001
KB 3133431 IE11 Flash player not needed by me
KB 890830 Malicious Software Removal Tool

Optional
KB 2976978 this one has been treated as suspect and at the time very little info

Two written off don't use IE11 as for the rest they will remain on hold until I get info what is OK and what not to install. Glad the number of updates is well down on last month.

KB 2976978
Quote:

This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program. These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system.
Well that one is off my updates, just checked the rest no info coming up if any of them should be written off.

AVGWarhawk 01-29-16 04:14 PM

When your computer becomes nothing but a chore it is time to find something else to do.


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