Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2200080)

I found this old article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Atlantic.html

Here's something from the article

"Astute’s sonar is so advanced
that if she was lying in the
English Channel she would be
able to detect ships leaving
New York harbour 3,000
nautical miles away (although the
details of how she can do this
are classified). "

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2200267)

I wonder if you do?


Logic is the science of reason. Demanding that someone believe an unsubstantiated claim is not logic. An unsubstantiated claim is a claim, no more. As I said, if a claim is not supported by shown facts, then it is worth nothing.


A truth that is clouded is not obvious. A truth that is obvious is not clouded. Everything you claim is certainly possible, but neither more nor less likely than any other stated theory. The only way to lend weight to an agrument is to show facts.


I don't know anything about this, so I don't try to believe anything about it either. It seems more likely that the plane crashed accidentally than that it was shot down, hijacked and diverted, kidnapped by aliens or lost in the time stream. All are theoretically possible, but the one is more likely simply because it happens much more often than any of the others.

That said, I don't pretend to "believe" anything until I see some actual evidence.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2200270)

Nice to turn it back on other people, but you haven't put up anything yet, and here you are still going on about it.


You put yourself in that position. It wasn't your making the statement that put you there, but your insistence that it was fact.


How do you know they know where it is?


So you say. But you can't or won't prove that either.


I disagree. Relaying that you were told something is fine, and that you believe it is fine. The only thing you did wrong was to claim it was a fact. As I said, it may be true, but you, or him, saying it doesn't make it so. I, at least, need to see evidence before I'll believe anything.


I'm retired. My whole life is a break. :D

Originally Posted by Tango589 (Post 2200411)

This has caught my interest, as I would have thought that the sound of a ship leaving harbour 3000 miles away would have been drowned out by all the other shipping noise in the water. Or are these things able to differentiate individual sound signatures at such a long range?:hmmm:

Originally Posted by guntherprien (Post 2200831)

...I thank the Lord you weren't in any kind of authority during ww2 onwards.
Your kind of timidness is......:oops:.Have some cojones,man..:oops:.

Originally Posted by guntherprien (Post 2200837)

Do you remember your youth when you used to actually question things?

Originally Posted by guntherprien (Post 2200837)

Seriously,you make me feel a little nauseous with your safe negativity.
Do you remember your youth when you used to actually question things?
I never once quoted as fact,I purposely left it for others to decide,hurry and feverishly backtrack the posts...lol.
You are a bona fide dinosaur imo,why don't you infraction me,you've been dieing to for ages.....
You need to review your own replies and realise that you are the one who hasn't been keeping up to speed.
I'm seriously disappointed with major posters like you,you let the website down.
Revise,is your latest keyword.
REVISE.:subsim:

Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 2200906)

Wow, it's been a long time that I've seen someone on Subsim who was so remarkably full of themselves without providing an inkling of any substance, supporting material or analysis, especially in a discussion with two people who've backed up their points with plenty of substance, experience and knowledge. All we get instead is a mysterious "source" and "big picture" thinking, followed by ad hominem attacks at respectable people able to behave themselves in a discussion. Unlike some.

:/\\!!