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Ta, mate - I only tell it like I see it for the most part.


no, no, no, no.


no, no, no, no.

To be fair, you give people every right to question you, given your overall tone.

The way you say it you sound no better than some of the people on telly earlier - vigilantism is the price of your vehemence mate, sorry to say.

Just going too far now mate - I know you've already been binned for a few days because of it, but I must add my support to the actions of the moderators in this matter. I'll not be commenting further on this myself, after this post.

Agreed.

Which ever way I look at it, that's not pretty at all - I gave you the benefit of the doubt to begin with, but you don't really deserve another chance for me to listen to what you have to say anymore 'post-moderation'.

Well said.

Sorry to make it sound so crass, but I wager jim would suggest that the ability to remain clam when under pressure is at least one of the qualities required to work for the police, either as an officer or as control-room/support staff - One of my mum's neighbours works on the emergency calls and some of the stuff she has to deal with requires a very calm and rational disposition.
So, on a personal note - I'd recommend you choose a career that involves as little stress as possible, purely on the basis of your tirade here where your only influence is to slightly annoy a few of the members - I'd not like to see a meltdown were you to have a position of responsibility for public safety. Sorry, but I just don't see that being a good idea, I really don't.

So do I. For all he spazzed out, I'd not wish him ill for it.

As for me, I don't really have anything more to add to the discussion of these disturbances - I think I said it all already a good few pages back.
Local news shows some smallish disturbance last night - smashed windows in town, a dozen or so arrests and tonight offers a stronger police presence (I've seen worse after a bad football match) - our city will not be loaning other forces our officers. On the way home tonight there were a few sirens and there's more police visible about the place. With any luck things will not get too out of hand.

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...ail/story.html

Ignore the comments; predictably they contain no fresh insight to what has been plastered over our tv screens all day anyway.

I may have a wander into town tomorrow to see the results for myself, lend a hand cleaning up maybe, who knows? It might all be over bar the shouting by tomorrow - especially as it's now raining here :roll:

Hmmmm... Yet another revolting development.

I've seen this before. Los Angeles. It can get ugly fast and last for a generation. Fortunately for the UK, Al Sharpton isn't there to help out.

Thats exactly why papers like 'The Sun' are part of the problem as they have promoted such attitudes for a long time. There is no race war here, but bigoted fascist idiots (within all ethnic groups) would like there to be and will use this as an excuse. The UKIP are going to love this. I have already stated the primary reasons for these troubles in previous posts in this thread, multiculturalism is not the issue, its about a generation of spoiled children who have been created by a failing state education system and OTT laws inhibiting discipline brought in with good intentions by the increasingly confused politically correct crowd. It has been going on for the last 30 years at least. It is a bunch of chavs is all, who else would be stopped by a bit of rain? These kids are already getting the shock they need being sent up to crown court where their sentences are reasonably heavy, when they felt confident that they would get little more than a slapped wrist.

So far 888 have been arrested in London alone, and show the varied cross-section of people involved in these "riots". From a 11 year old girl to students and a teaching assistant (who ironically was a learning mentor).

Meanwhile Greater Manchester and Salford councils have stated that if any of their tenants are found to been involved in the disturbance/looting will be evicted with immediate effect.

I read descritpions of the structure of migration in Britain and London, and learn that there is a lot of hostility between ethnic groups when some groups refusing to integrate envy other groups who integrate and by their own effort have more success.

Cameron called British society as "broken society" when he entered office. These days, he even called it a sick society. In these riots we see a total lack of consent on communal and cultural values, wrongs and rights, definitions of lawful and criminal. There is a group in society at the lower end of the spectrum that obviously has quit consent on even a minimum of value standards. I think that due to a decline of said consence in some groups, especially blacks and groups who became prominent migrant groups into the UK longer time ago and who are left behind by especially Asian migrants who integrate with more discipline, self-investement and work, and there are others, namely Muslim migrant groups, that to a prominent share actively refuse integration from all beginning on because they refuse to accept that as their duty and obligation when going to a foreign place.

And then there is the home-bred white social lower class that probably disconnected from said value consent because establishment and self-declared elites since long time fail them to serve as convincing standards to follow, but make headlines by their own excesses in which they make mockery of any talking about "values". It is not by random chance that the most aggressive, emotionally upcharged, aggressive, primitive yellow press in Europe is set in Britain and not any other country. I mean the "fame" of Britain's yellow press is global, isn't it.

The result of all this together is anarchy, crime, disinhibition. All of this is maybe an explanation. But it never can be an excuse.

I read some comments calling Britain a failed state. I yet would not go that far, but I think in major parts it is a deeply broken, failed society, and in the long run it could turn into a failed state, like several Western states. And failed integration and illusions about "Multi-Kulti", as it is called in German, is one part of the explanation.

Some pics I saw in the media looked like scenes from WWII. Some of the buildings burned down they said had survived the destructions of WWI and WWII while their neighbourhood went into smoking ruins.

But then came the mob.

No soft talking this time please, no illusional and pedagogically oh so valuable understanding by courts and judges - crack down on them, and hard, and uncompromised.

Live in London then come back and talk about it and see how badly your contradictory phobias stand up :doh:
most of that post is just Sky trying to fit his pet hates into a context where they don't fit.

Yeah 20 weeks jail for using abusive language. I bet he was bloody surprised at that

Yay! Race war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHCQA1EJiC0 :up:

@Skybird: an honest question: do you even bother to read other posts? Just 2 posts above yours did Sammi adress exactly the issues which you rant about.:nope:
Check out his or jumpys posts in this thread to get some insiders perspective! This is really the German "Oh we know it all better!", oberlehrer attitude you show. Could it be that maybe those pesky island inhabitants have just a little, tiny more insight into their own countries matters than others?
And this is no fresh outsiders perspective you bring into, the British have their own ranters who say the very same things - some of them write for The Sun...

Jesuselvischrist, really, it looks like you need a blog if you do not want to discuss things or adress other points! I also tried to adress your issues 2 pages ago and took my time to answer you in a polite way. If your nose is to much in ther air to be bothered with an answer to me or other mortals, I do not see much sense in writing on a forum.

Penguin perhaps you are on his famous ignore list:rotfl2:

Maybe everybody's on his iggy list - same like Senor PR ;).
That's why this looks to both like a blog :O:

Sammi says so, so it must be true? He reflects just one aspect of it, and it is the classical sociologically oriented perspective. It may or may not be true, but no matter: it hardly is more than just one part of the puzzle.

Check German media our international media, and you will see that some more left-leaning media tend to focus on social explanation models, while other, conservative media tend to focus more on what I point at.

Spiegel quotes Die Welt in a translated national press overview with this, I found it after I wrote my previous post:

"The unrest in London is a form of hooliganism by losers who are living in a society which no longer has anything left to offer losers. Among the arsonists are people who no longer possess any values. They've gotten used to drawing money from the state and they complain when the handouts stop coming as generously as they did in the past. This is a problem that, within the foreseeable future, many more Europeans are going to be confronted with, including many young people. This is because most European countries have been living far beyond their means. They will, without exception, be forced to cut back their spending."
"And with that development, an outmoded illusion of prosperity will be lost -- namely the belief that everything will continue to get better, without us Europeans having to make much of an effort. In part, the peace in Europe of the past 66 years has also been bought through increasingly generous welfare states. But those days are over. The strength of Europe's democracy will now be measured based on how sustainably societies change their values to reflect that reality."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...779413,00.html

And take note of the comment by the extremely left Tageszeitung', which this time is surprisingly conservative.

Agree, or don't agree. But do not try to engage me on a personal, rethoric level. We both know since a bit longer now that on some issues you are more left-leaning than I am and that I am more right leaning than you are. C'est la vie.

Thank Neal for this forum. The media coverage is lousy here. If I'd depend on local newspapers I'd know nothing.

Classic, his answer is "look in german newspapers":har::har::har::har::har:

Better than look in Slovenian newspapers that's for sure. We have only one reliable newspaper and that one devoted about half a page per day about the riots.

Skybird, while I agree with some of what you say :-

These disturbances are not about race in any way, in fact all racial groups here are clearly represented perpetrating the vandalism and violence, with no group being the target of another. 'Multi-Kulti' can and will work but we need to make integration a law and a principle. Remove religion from schools primary and secondary would solve half of this problem, as this is where the practice of non-integrating (voluntary segregation) starts. If the kids are mixed from the beggining these imaginary groupings will be dissolved within a generation, and the likelihood of them forming or joining 'gangs' later on will be reduced. Also think of the extra time schools could spend teaching worthwhile subjects like logic, reason, rhetoric and critical thinking as opposed to R.E of which in high school I had mandatory 4 hours a week. In primary it was more. I actually support the French idea to ban religious clothing - getting rid of the muslim veil and christian crosses at the same moment, thus subtley enforcing integration in public.

Also, us adults need to take our responsibility seriously, and set a proper example, especially the affluent few who control/own everything. The problem here is - banks are allowed to essentially loot off everyone except for the very rich, politicians fiddle their expenses and own several houses and have huge pay-cheques anyway. As a working class person, inflation means that you get paid less today than you did for the same job yesterday, taxes and costs of living (food/accomodation) rise and services are cut. Over at least the last 30 years the politically correct folks with the best of intentions and the media (with mostly less than honorable intentions) have inhibited the neccessary ability of parents, teachers and police to instill discipline/respect in the next generation. Adults are afraid to reprimand mis-behaving youngsters for fear of being labelled a child molester/peadophile. Personally if I see a child doing something stupid and dangerous I will tell them off, and many times have then had to deal with abusive parents who should be doing the job themselves, but this will not discourage me to stand by my principle.

This problem is not just with the latest generation, they've got it the worst but like I said this started a long time ago, and the kids that got damaged in the first place now have had kids themselves - and this is the result. I would say throw the book at them, they are crying out for the lesson they should have been taught as primary school children, that for every action there shall be a consequence, and I'm sure they will get heavy sentencing but somehow I don't think it will help much. The root problems are not being addressed yet. Like I said earlier, the fascists and racists will have a field day now saying that immigration is the problem. The Religious folks will similarly say that godlessness and the lack of good christian/muslim morality is the problem. The police will be given more powers and more of our rights will be eroded, while we applaud them, and the fat cat politicians and banksters will still be considerably richer than the rest of us.

Penguin,

a German-language comment/article:

England krankt an Wertelosigkeit der Unterschicht

Maybe you now ask what came first, the hen or the egg, but - does that really matter anyway?