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U-4053 02-25-06 05:30 PM

THAnks Whew !
 
Thanks Soul, it is in DMA Mode. I have the Link you gave me Saved, Wow Thanks, I appreciate it alot .

Charlie

Soulcommander 02-25-06 07:53 PM

Re: THAnks Whew !
 
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Originally Posted by U-4053
Thanks Soul, it is in DMA Mode. I have the Link you gave me Saved, Wow Thanks, I appreciate it alot .
Charlie


It's no problem Charlie, glad to help.
I'm glad all is well. Just keep an eye on things. Alot of SF issues don't show up right away.
And the fact remains, SF drivers are in the Level 0 area of your computer and it's something you don't want. You can always read upmore about it at our site.

U-4053 02-25-06 08:53 PM

RGR
 
Thanks, I recently had to do a reformat because of my Asus Drive failing about 4 weeks ago now, so it may be early yet, along with the info you gave me and the file to remove the SF drivers maybe I can circumvent any problems? only time will tell.
Thanks again.

Herr Karl 02-26-06 12:09 AM

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I have also Noticed that A few weeks ago I was able to Burn Music files onto Imation Disks but now I get an error as thought the Media is not compatable.

You could try the SF driver update:
http://www.star-force.com/support/sfdrvup.zip

Or try the SF removal tools:
http://onlinesecurity-on.com/downloads/sfdrvrem.zip

If it works after removing SF you know that it is a SF-related problem.

I'm unable to burn ISO images now...could this driver update help me? I'm reluctant to "upgrade" my starforce drivers because of my previous issues.

Gizzmoe 02-26-06 12:11 AM

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I'm unable to burn ISO images now...could this driver update help me?

Can you burn other files?

Herr Karl 02-26-06 12:19 AM

I'm still able to burn music. :hmm:

Gizzmoe 02-26-06 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr Karl
I'm still able to burn music. :hmm:

Then it sounds more like a software problem or the ISO file is broken. What´s the error message?

Herr Karl 02-26-06 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr Karl
I'm still able to burn music. :hmm:

Then it sounds more like a software problem or the ISO file is broken. What´s the error message?

That's the thing, there was no error message. It was a bootable Ubuntu image. I thought I didn't burn under the proper format and tried to burn the image two more times. It just wouldn't work. Could be I didn't do something right, but this is the area that starforce protects against---the ability to copy. It's basically just an annoyance, but I'd like the capability to reproduce images at my own discretion.

Gizzmoe 02-26-06 12:32 AM

Try it with another ISO image and another burn software.

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Could be I didn't do something right, but this is the area that starforce protects against---the ability to copy.
It protects the games, but it doesn´t block CD/DVD writing. If it does then it´s a bug and not a feature. I don´t have any problems.

Herr Karl 02-26-06 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
Try it with another ISO image and another burn software.

I'll do that, and will get back to you later...thanks for the consideration
Gizzmoe. I'm off to the Mod forum! :D

ThirteenthHouR 02-26-06 11:27 AM

Try removing, SF http://onlinesecurity-on.com/downloads/sfdrvrem.zip (As posted by Gizzmoe further back in the thread)

Carry out the DMA step down fix here. How to cure DMA step down of DVD/CD ROM drives

You may also need to re-install your burning app.

SF can interfere with ISO burning ability and the basic ATAPI driver. As it is set up to interpret ISO burning as being piracy. I know that's Crazy but who really understands Security Technologies Logic about things?

Gizzmoe 02-26-06 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirteenthHouR
SF can interfere with ISO burning ability and the basic ATAPI driver. As it is set up to interpret ISO burning as being piracy. I know that's Crazy but who really understands Security Technologies Logic about things?

I can burn ISO images, so it´s not a general problem with SF.

Oh, and please check your PM!

ThirteenthHouR 02-26-06 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
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Originally Posted by ThirteenthHouR
SF can interfere with ISO burning ability and the basic ATAPI driver. As it is set up to interpret ISO burning as being piracy. I know that's Crazy but who really understands Security Technologies Logic about things?

I can burn ISO images, so it´s not a general problem with SF.

Just because one person can burn an ISO does not remove it from being General problem for the majority of users. As there are over 60 types of ISO burning apps as well as Microsoft’s own one.

Combine that with so many drive types and IDE controllers and you will see just how unjustified your statement was. You cannot make a statement of fact or rebuttal based upon such limited data otherwise peeps will come down on you very quickly as I just did. (basically your previous SF argument turned back on you, You can't have it both ways).

However, you most probably are in the more rare 5% of users that have not had problems yet.

Gizzmoe 02-26-06 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirteenthHouR
Just because one person can burn an ISO does not remove it from being General problem for the majority of users. [...] However, you most probably are in the more rare 5% of users that have not had problems yet.

You know for a fact that the majority of users have those problems? Interesting... Could you back up your statement with some references, please?

Soulcommander 02-26-06 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
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Originally Posted by ThirteenthHouR
Just because one person can burn an ISO does not remove it from being General problem for the majority of users. [...] However, you most probably are in the more rare 5% of users that have not had problems yet.

You know for a fact that the majority of users have those problems? Interesting... Could you back up your statement with some references, please?

Here we go again.

Can you back up yours? The fact remains that you can't and we can. However, this information will not be released to you. For obvious reasons.

Gizzmoe 02-26-06 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulcommander
Can you back up yours? The fact remains that you can't and we can. However, this information will not be released to you. For obvious reasons.

*Puts on moderator robe*

Nonsense. When someone of you guys come here and say that it affects the majority of users you better come up with some background informations or at least some basic explanations. If you can´t or you don´t want to then don´t write such things, otherwise it could be seen as libelous and that´s something I can´t and won´t tolerate as a moderator.

Generally speaking, feel free to post any new informations about SF here on Subsim.com, no matter how bad they are, but do not spread informations that you can´t back up for whatever reason.

Onkel Neal 02-26-06 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
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Originally Posted by Soulcommander
Can you back up yours? The fact remains that you can't and we can. However, this information will not be released to you. For obvious reasons.



Generally speaking, feel free to post any new informations about SF here on Subsim.com, no matter how bad they are, but do not spread informations that you can´t back up for whatever reason.

Agreed.

Also, as long as the topic is about SH3, it can live here. But SF threads belong in General Topics. This forum is for SH3 discussion. I know it comes with SF anti-piracy software but discussions about SF need to go in General Topics. Thanks. :yep:

U-4053 02-26-06 03:36 PM

:)
 
Cross your T's and dot those I 's

ThirteenthHouR 02-26-06 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
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Originally Posted by ThirteenthHouR
Just because one person can burn an ISO does not remove it from being General problem for the majority of users. [...] However, you most probably are in the more rare 5% of users that have not had problems yet.

You know for a fact that the majority of users have those problems? Interesting... Could you back up your statement with some references, please?

How about 20% of all systems brought into PCWorld in the last 3 weeks. All suffering with DMA step down, inability to burn ISO's etc, all attributed to Star Force (Information supplied by PCWorld Senior Engineer)

(PCWorld= The largest Computer retailer in the UK, Part of the Dixons Group)

Or Security Technologies (Starforce) Tech support site (Root Admin) 'Nerva' admitting that their programmer does not know how to cure these problems (And quoting my fix).

Even Dennis (Of Security Technologies fame) won't make comments about this as he knows I will drag him through the coals.

Not wishing to flame, but maybe moderators should not make comments that they cannot backup with evidence.

Soulcommander 02-26-06 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe
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Originally Posted by Soulcommander
Can you back up yours? The fact remains that you can't and we can. However, this information will not be released to you. For obvious reasons.

Generally speaking, feel free to post any new informations about SF here on Subsim.com, no matter how bad they are, but do not spread informations that you can´t back up for whatever reason.

I think it works both ways. Don't be saying things you can't prove because I can't see your system.

The facts are all over the net. Facts from peoples accounts of problems as well as facts coming in from manufactures. And The proof as you constantly want and even call me about on the phone is not going to be given to you. Partly because of legal reasons.

Also, your threat to me and William was not taken lightly, I see those posts were deleted. But Know that any more threats like this are being looked at. The owner of this site may not know whats going on but if he would like my telephone number I would be glad to speak to him about it personally!


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