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mapuc 09-03-15 01:35 PM
I'm divided in this issue.

I really want to help those whose fleeing from wars and persecution

On the other hand I'm sort of very angry when I see:

Refugees makes a scene, because they are given food by Red Cross and they are offend by this "red cross"

When our own homeless or the weak can't get somewhere to live-due to laws, which say refugees comes first.

Making a scene in countries like Denmark, when they get a simple apartment and simple food-Made for them(halal)

I myself are supporting help in their nearby area.

Markus

Mr Quatro 09-03-15 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 2341728)
Syria has a border to Turkey. They can just walk over.
I thought the Syrian border with Turkey was controlled by isis.

Shouldn't they be worried about isis playing the game to get into other countries and then causing trouble?

Betonov 09-03-15 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2341741)
I'm divided in this issue.

I really want to help those whose fleeing from wars and persecution

On the other hand I'm sort of very angry when I see:
I really want to be angry with the hypocrisy of some, but how much of that is ''quote mining'' by the media. A 1000 refugees will accept what help we can give them and the media will ignore and one may cause problems and he will be all over the news.

ikalugin 09-03-15 02:42 PM
Meanwhile - Russian Government offers a free acre of land to any citizen... in the Far East.

vienna 09-03-15 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2341770)
Didn't they used to do that to political dissidents? :O: :03:
They did, but the actual land dimensions were 6 feet down and 3 feet across...


<O>

Betonov 09-03-15 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2341768)
Meanwhile - Russian Government offers a free acre of land to any citizen... in the Far East.
Just an acre ??
Give me a 10x10km forest and I'm moving there tomorrow.

ikalugin 09-03-15 03:03 PM
Well our hunting launge is 400k acres I think.

The new law is there b/c there is a lot of usable surplus land around various parts of Russia.

mapuc 09-03-15 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2341752)
I really want to be angry with the hypocrisy of some, but how much of that is ''quote mining'' by the media. A 1000 refugees will accept what help we can give them and the media will ignore and one may cause problems and he will be all over the news.

I can see I made some misspelling.

I'm not angry at every refugees only at those who cause problems.

You're 150 % right most of them, don't know how many percentage, are just happy to enter a country were he and his family can live in peace and comfort

Markus

Betonov 09-03-15 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2341778)
I can see I made some misspelling.

I'm not angry at every refugees only at those who cause problems.
I don't think you did.
Problem is that 0,1% of troublemakers will get the media up and the 50% of morons are going to pick it up like it's the divine truth.
Media today is more dangerous than the autocrats of Europe past :nope:

Betonov 09-03-15 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2341775)
Well our hunting launge is 400k acres I think.
I have 5 hectares with 400k plus mosquitoes.

ikalugin 09-03-15 03:34 PM
Btw, how much land does a person need to sustain himself through farming?

mapuc 09-03-15 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2341780)
I don't think you did.
Problem is that 0,1% of troublemakers will get the media up and the 50% of morons are going to pick it up like it's the divine truth.
Media today is more dangerous than the autocrats of Europe past :nope:
Do you think I'm mad at some refugees who get first in line to an apartment, even though some Danish person had been waiting for, for a long time ?

NO!! I get furious at our politicians.

Markus

ikalugin 09-03-15 03:51 PM
I think that goverment stance on distributing resources (such as social housing) to refugees should prioritise citizens over refugees.

Rockstar 09-03-15 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2341724)
...

In short, what we can't do is simply turn them around and send them back, to condemn them to a high likelihood of death. Primarily because the moment they set foot in Syria, they'll turn straight back around and try again. This time perhaps through the thriving network of people smugglers and they'll enter Europe through a different way and become another statistic in the rising human trafficking crisis in Europe.
We're human, we're all human, to turn our back on people who are so desperate that they would risk everything is inhumane. So we must find a way, somehow we must find one.
Contrary to what some might read in U.S. media. We turn back migrants all the time. When we came across them they were removed from their ship or boat. Then we swung our deck gun around and sunk the ship on the spot while they watched, a sort of psy op. Flew in interogators, and when they concluded their investigations. We made for land and dropped them all, men women and children back in their home country.

True some made the attempt again. But most stayed put because they couldnt afford it.

We cannot take in everyone without some regulation.

ikalugin 09-03-15 06:15 PM
There is also (sometimes) the problem of internal migration. In Russia it is people from poor Caucasus going north (in to Moscow). This is the issue (I think, I could be wrong) that is new to the core EU members, as previously they were not open to such things (Germans were one of the first countries to experience this with the fall of the Wall, but then eastern Germans were not as different to their western kind as immigrants from Balkan Muslim areas would be).

Bubblehead1980 09-03-15 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2341808)
Reality is not pretty but we have think of ourselves first. The sign should read NO VACANCY

Torplexed 09-03-15 07:37 PM
Quite a change from 1979. The US, which had a military presence in Vietnam for decades and also bombed Cambodia and Laos, eventually took in over 1 million Indochinese "boat people" from 1979-97, while another combatant, Australia, took 185,000 and the former colonial master, France, over 100,000. Each seemed to implicitly accept either some responsibility for the postwar mess, or a a desire to help people escape some of the punitive policies of the Hanoi government.

Today, not so much. :-?

Rockstar 09-03-15 09:56 PM
Immigrants even refugees cannot be allowed to just wander in unregulated. Every country must have control of its borders. If you think repatriation is a bad thing go ahead open the flood gates and let everyone in and see what happens. Things will soon spin out of control and chaos would ensue.

em2nought 09-03-15 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 2341832)
Quite a change from 1979. The US, which had a military presence in Vietnam for decades and also bombed Cambodia and Laos, eventually took in over 1 million Indochinese "boat people" from 1979-97, while another combatant, Australia, took 185,000 and the former colonial master, France, over 100,000. Each seemed to implicitly accept either some responsibility for the postwar mess, or a a desire to help people escape some of the punitive policies of the Hanoi government.

Today, not so much. :-?
...and almost all those people wanted to integrate into our societies as productive members. Today, not so much i think? :-? Maybe a portion even want to tear our societies apart? We've already got enough unproductive "units" as it is. Baa-ram-ewe! Baa-ram-ewe!

Betonov 09-04-15 04:30 AM
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