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Torplexed 04-14-15 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2305243)

Greens seem to me vanished into the woods smoking pot. :|\\

I hear they have made the consideration of banning the Grand National horse race a central plank in their platform. Good to know they have their priorities straight. :D

bertieck476 04-14-15 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2304665)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-32194320

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2...tland-32146800

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-32202273

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...-Scotland.aspx

An interesting summary of public opinion in Scotland on what the important issues are in this election.

A rating of one being bad, ten good:

8.2 - Increase the minimum wage for over 21's from £6.50 to £7.85.

7.9 - Guarantee that old age pensions will rise over the next five years.

7.7 - Stop energy companies from raising prices for the next 20 months.

7.4 - Introduce a tax on homes worth more than two million pounds, i.e. the Mansion Tax.

7.2 - Increase the top rate of tax to 50p in the pound for those earning more than £150,000 a year.

6.3 - Increase spending on public services even if it means the deficit isn't eliminated by 2020.

6.3 - Put a cap on the total amount paid in welfare benefits to a household.

5.7 - Reduce the amount the government borrows by cutting spending rather than increasing taxes.

5.2 - Charge better-off older people for some things which are currently free.

4.6 - Eliminate the deficit by the end of the next parliament in 2020 even if it means reducing spending on public services.

4.0 - Reduce taxes even if it means cutting public services.

Very nuanced, as Brian Taylor said on Reporting Scotland.:hmmm:

Mike.

Hang on a minute, am I the only one that thinks the highlighted points are contradictory ??

STEED 04-14-15 06:49 AM

"ON GUARD"

Looks Nigel is in a spot of trouble...

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Polish Prince challenges Ukip's Nigel Farage to 18th Century-style duel with swords
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-10172088.html

Tell you what this should put some life into this boring election. :DL


Moving on to my area I see the Cons/Lab/UKIP candidates for the GE are now posted.

MGR1 04-14-15 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bertieck476 (Post 2306618)
Hang on a minute, am I the only one that thinks the highlighted points are contradictory ??

At first glance, yes, but the survey consisted of X number of policies and people were asked how important they were on a scale of one to ten.

Hence "
Increase spending on public services even if it means the deficit isn't eliminated by 2020" has a rating of 6.3, fairly important, whilst "Eliminate the deficit by the end of the next parliament in 2020 even if it means reducing spending on public services" has a rating of 4.6, much less important.

Hence the comment that Scots would rather see higher public spending and aren't that concerned about the deficit.

Or at least the 1000 or so who were surveyed thought that way.:hmmm:

Mike.


bertieck476 04-14-15 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2306655)


At first glance, yes, but the survey consisted of X number of policies and people were asked how important they were on a scale of one to ten.

Hence "
Increase spending on public services even if it means the deficit isn't eliminated by 2020" has a rating of 6.3, fairly important, whilst "Eliminate the deficit by the end of the next parliament in 2020 even if it means reducing spending on public services" has a rating of 4.6, much less important.

Hence the comment that Scots would rather see higher public spending and aren't that concerned about the deficit.

Or at least the 1000 or so who were surveyed thought that way.:hmmm:

Mike.


Ahh, apologies I misread your original post, thanks for explaining.

Jimbuna 04-15-15 08:23 AM

I must admit I was pleasantly surprised at the UKIP manifesto this morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32313965

Policy guide: Where the parties stand.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide

STEED 04-15-15 01:13 PM

I shall be reading all the manifesto's over the weekend online and seeing which party suits me. All I will say the chances of me voting Tory are not good.

Oberon 04-15-15 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2306874)
I must admit I was pleasantly surprised at the UKIP manifesto this morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32313965

Policy guide: Where the parties stand.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide

No matter what Farage may say his policies are, his parties members and their policies will undermine any sincere message he has:
http://shouldyouvoteukip.tumblr.com/...t-so-bad#notes

Jimbuna 04-16-15 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2306961)
No matter what Farage may say his policies are, his parties members and their policies will undermine any sincere message he has:
http://shouldyouvoteukip.tumblr.com/...t-so-bad#notes

Yeah, those are boils that will need to be lanced at some point sooner rather than later but I honestly don't believe he condones or welcomes them, rather puts up with them until they find another sewer to live in.

STEED 04-16-15 09:41 AM

I have been told I missed the funny high light of the campaign so far, Cameron eating a hot dog with a silver knife and fork. :haha:

My only regret is I missed that. :/\\!!

Any how moving on, I have been out and about today and I noticed something and that something was not one party poster in the window not one party poll in a garden not one bill board poster. Too sum up a big fat zero unlike back in 2010 when you could not miss seeing these.

Whats your area like where you live?

Oberon 04-16-15 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2307196)
I have been told I missed the funny high light of the campaign so far, Cameron eating a hot dog with a silver knife and fork. :haha:

My only regret is I missed that. :/\\!!

Any how moving on, I have been out and about today and I noticed something and that something was not one party poster in the window not one party poll in a garden not one bill board poster. Too sum up a big fat zero unlike back in 2010 when you could not miss seeing these.

Whats your area like where you live?

I've seen, so far, one UKIP flag (unfortunately flying too high for me to set fire to it) and two Labour posters...in the same window.

Rather odd really considering this will be the first election my wife has voted in, and the first in a long while that my mother will vote in, although she's doing it through proxy via me since she can't get to the polling station.

ExFishermanBob 04-16-15 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2307230)
I've seen, so far, one UKIP flag (unfortunately flying too high for me to set fire to it) and two Labour posters...in the same window.

Rather odd really considering this will be the first election my wife has voted in, and the first in a long while that my mother will vote in, although she's doing it through proxy via me since she can't get to the polling station.


Nothing here at all although one chap was flying a Union flag yesterday - I was wondering why but I now suspect it was for the release of a (Unionist) manifesto (UKIP's perhaps?). Or was there a royal birth or something?

ExFishermanBob 04-16-15 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2305712)
Personally, I think a fully federalised UK with England having it's own parliament is the only practicable solution to the current constitutional mess.

The question is, do the people of England really want one and all the extra bureaucracy that goes with it?:hmmm:

Mike.

Indeed - I don't see why not, really: Westminster can be trimmed right down to as small as necessary. There would not be that much extra bureaucracy plus there could finally be a focus on England itself, rather than the often UK / English confusion. Still, simple and obvious rarely seems to triumph.

MGR1 04-16-15 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2307196)
Any how moving on, I have been out and about today and I noticed something and that something was not one party poster in the window not one party poll in a garden not one bill board poster. Too sum up a big fat zero unlike back in 2010 when you could not miss seeing these.

Whats your area like where you live?

I've seen one SNP poster so far and a few "Yes" stickers of referendum vintage re-appearing, but nothing else.

I haven't even seen any canvassers at all, either, though that might change nearer the date.:hmmm:

Mike.

MGR1 04-16-15 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ExFishermanBob (Post 2307247)
Still, simple and obvious rarely seems to triumph.

Agreed.:rock:

However, too many snouts in troughs, methinks.

I'd actually make a complete change and have a completely new location for an English Parliament. Perhaps a clean break is what's needed, especially considering the state of the current building.:hmmm:

I keep seeing either Winchester or York being mentioned.

Mike.:)

ExFishermanBob 04-16-15 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1 (Post 2307265)
Agreed.:rock:

However, too many snouts in troughs, methinks.

I'd actually make a complete change and have a completely new location for an English Parliament. Perhaps a clean break is what's needed, especially considering the state of the current building.:hmmm:

I keep seeing either Winchester or York being mentioned.

Mike.:)

I'd thought about keeping Westminster for the English parliament because of the historical associations, but "New Westminster" being somewhere further North, perhaps geographically equidistant from the four capitals (it can't be at the geographical center North / South as that's just outside of Lockerbie in Scotland).

It might help bring some prosperity north.

On the other hand, perhaps a complete break might be better.

Oberon 04-16-15 03:47 PM

The SNP were on fire tonight, Farage was smashed into the dirt by the ladies and Ed...god bless him, he tried, but the show was not being run by him.
I tell you, if I were north of the border, my vote would definitely be heading towards the SNP, such a strong performance not seen in a very long time.

Ed's utter refusal to entertain an SNP alliance is odd though, I think that behind the scenes he's probably either already negotiating one...or perhaps, he's putting in bids for what'll be left of the Lib Dems. Not sure that'll be enough though.

There's one more debate to be had in a couple of weeks and that's a BBC Question Time panel with Clegg, Milliband and Cameron, that will be interesting to see.

And an interesting aside for the night. Part way through the debate I made a tweet which stated that I wished I lived in Scotland so I could vote SNP, because Sturgeon was on fire and that tweet has since been retweeted nearly a hundred times and favourited over fifty. I opposed the break-up of the Union, and I still do, but the SNP has done a fantastic job in the debates, as have Plaid Cymru that I feel that it would be unfair for them not to be rewarded.

As it stands, I must admit, my voting choice has wavered a bit from Labour towards Green...I'm going to have to do some soul searching about Trident I think... :hmmm:

ExFishermanBob 04-17-15 02:55 AM

Well, the SNP have been doing quite a good job in Holyrood (also, Holyrood is more congenial, I think, to working with other parties) and now that the referendum has given an answer it's possible to vote for them without worrying about a break-up. Sturgeon is rather good.

Ed, I think, has to look like he's defending Labour's candidates in Scotland so cannot really say out loud "alright, we'll work with you": plus we've seen the papers and articles where "SNP MPs should not get to vote", "The Thames will run red with blood if the SNP prop up Labour", etc., so I would guess (just a guess) that he's a bit worried about a back-lash in England. Your tweet (and several others) makes me think that this might be a worry he can ignore.

Interesting times, though. If I lived in England I would not know who to vote for.

bertieck476 04-17-15 03:51 AM

If the snp do very well in scotland which im sure they will, it wont be long before they push for another referendum. This is definately a danger for the uk as a whole especially if they have ed by the delicates.

Jimbuna 04-17-15 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ExFishermanBob (Post 2307389)

Interesting times, though. If I lived in England I would not know who to vote for.

I'm a Labour Party member and I'm not 100% sure :doh:

:)


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