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TarJak 02-05-14 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 2171694)
That is clearly my face photo shopped onto Tarjak's body.

My legs aren't that short and you know it. :D

Jimbuna 02-05-14 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2171719)
My legs aren't that short and you know it. :D

I think he was referring to the miniscule appendage actually :D

TarJak 02-05-14 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2171746)
I think he was referring to the miniscule appendage actually :D

Looks about your size :O:

u crank 02-05-14 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 2171660)
Exactly, many are hired because can pay them what are slave wages.Our politicians are in bed with big business and will not pass meaningful reform to drive the illegals out, ....

I would say that driving the illegals out is a poor choice of words. In some ways you have invited them although in a backhanded sort of way. There are low paying jobs for them that many Americans refuse to do, or can't be filled by the local population. If you drive the illegals out who would do these jobs? I do understand that the immigrants are a burden on Government run social programs, but they are also consumers. 11 million people are buying food, gas, clothing etc. They don't pay income tax but somebody benefits from their consumerism. They also work cheap. Again someone benefits. The employer for sure and maybe the customer of the employer. Maybe you.

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Those who push to solve the problem, are labeled racist, xenophobic, uncaring etc by a certain party and it's propaganda division, the majority of media outlets, thus changing the discussion from the issue and putting those who want to stop the problem, on the defensive. Ignoring the economic and social damage that years of lax immigration policy has caused and will continue to cause damage until we stop it.
I can see that there is a problem there and I am sympathetic. Unfortunately, some who wish to solve the problem are speaking from purely political or ideological standpoint and some of them are racist, xenophobic and uncaring. They are intentionally muddying the water. Illegal immigration is a huge problem and you have my sympathy.

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I am not without sympathy for those seeking a better life here, but it is not our responsibility to take on the downtrodden of the world,
It may not be your responsibility but your country for hundreds of years was known for this....

From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


That is/was one of the things I admire the most about your country.

Good to see you haven't given up on your education. The harder you work for it, the more you will value it. Good luck.

Wolferz 02-05-14 01:09 PM

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From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



Lady Liberty continues...

Now that you're here, you might as well work these no-wage jobs I have for you. I like making money off the backs of slaves. It helps keep the patina off my dress.:up:

Moths to the flame?

u crank 02-05-14 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2171854)

Lady Liberty continues...

Now that you're here, you might as well work these no-wage jobs I have for you. I like making money off the backs of slaves. It helps keep the patina off my dress.:up:

Moths to the flame?

I would say..hmmm... depends on which side of the river you're on.:O:

Phyrrus 02-07-14 08:19 AM

Why Mexicans immigrate to the US?
The problem is very complicated, but i like always finding easy solutions, so my answer is:
Because you let them in, simple as that. Put a big machine gun on your southern border and problem solved.
(and I think you have a few of those). But would you do that, when half of your economy depends on immigrant workforce? If you do not dare to put that machine gun there, than swallow it and stop moaning.
You make war in Irak, and cant deal with immigration?

This is my answer to all similar questions: Why Europe is full of muslims, why Germany is invaded by turks, why England is not white anymore, why even my county, Romania is full of ethiopians, chinese and all. Some may say that multiculturalism is nice, but take a walk in London or Berlin, and your opinion will certainly change... There are always multiple points of views, and the final result is always who has more power to implement his own point of view. Humanity has nothing to do with it. I may seem to some as a racist, but not.. I am an immigrant myself, i left my country and lived and worked every possible country where payment was higher than in the s***hole I was born in. I did the low wage s*** work that native people wouldnt touch... but still, after eating the emmigrant`s bread myself, I still can not understand WHY do you people in Britain and USA can not take up arms and PROTECT yourselves agains all the crap that invades your countries? Because first you would have to hang all your inbred governors and bankers that get rich on immigrants backs, that`s why.

Dread Knot 02-07-14 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrus (Post 2172308)
You make war in Irak, and cant deal with immigration?


They seem to go hand in hand. It was immigrants, illegal and legal who did a good share of the fighting. 1.2 million Hispanics and Latinos are veterans of the US armed forces. They currently make up about 14% of the US Marine Corps.

http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/imag...6312/size0.jpg

Tribesman 02-07-14 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrus (Post 2172308)
Why Mexicans immigrate to the US?
The problem is very complicated, but i like always finding easy solutions, so my answer is:
Because you let them in, simple as that. Put a big machine gun on your southern border and problem solved.
(and I think you have a few of those). But would you do that, when half of your economy depends on immigrant workforce? If you do not dare to put that machine gun there, than swallow it and stop moaning.
You make war in Irak, and cant deal with immigration?

This is my answer to all similar questions: Why Europe is full of muslims, why Germany is invaded by turks, why England is not white anymore, why even my county, Romania is full of ethiopians, chinese and all. Some may say that multiculturalism is nice, but take a walk in London or Berlin, and your opinion will certainly change... There are always multiple points of views, and the final result is always who has more power to implement his own point of view. Humanity has nothing to do with it. I may seem to some as a racist, but not.. I am an immigrant myself, i left my country and lived and worked every possible country where payment was higher than in the s***hole I was born in. I did the low wage s*** work that native people wouldnt touch... but still, after eating the emmigrant`s bread myself, I still can not understand WHY do you people in Britain and USA can not take up arms and PROTECT yourselves agains all the crap that invades your countries? Because first you would have to hang all your inbred governors and bankers that get rich on immigrants backs, that`s why.

That is quite funny, as apparently the "you people in Britain" currently have yourself and the Bulgarians as top of the list on nationalities of "invaders" to be got rid of.:hmmm:

u crank 02-07-14 09:54 AM

We got a couple of threads going on the immigration problem. This goes a long way in helping to understand some of it.

http://i.imgur.com/xS6L8R9.jpg

In the end it's all about that stuff you fold and put in your pocket.

Oberon 02-07-14 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrus (Post 2172308)
Some may say that multiculturalism is nice, but take a walk in London or Berlin, and your opinion will certainly change...

Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

Sailor Steve 02-07-14 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrus (Post 2172308)
Put a big machine gun on your southern border and problem solved.

You do know that border is 1,954 miles (3,145 km) long, and almost all of it barren desert? That's a lot of ground to cover for "a big machine gun".

Tribesman 02-07-14 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2172346)
Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

Go back another 2 centuries and you get queen Elizabeth complaining that there are too many Blacks in London.
Nothing changes, people still make the same complaints and the same doomsday predictions about the destruction of local culture:yawn:

Wolferz 02-07-14 02:12 PM

We all know why our neighbors to the south want to come here. Same as any other immigrant. Looking for a piece of the American dream. Better opportunities, living conditions etcetera, etcetera. They can work a job knowing that a band of banditos isn't going to rob them on the way home from work. I guess they forgot about our own banditos in DC and the state houses who rob you before you even get your check.:roll:

One thing's for sure, we're all sleeping. That's the only way to get the American dream. Then you awaken to the nightmare.:wah:

Cybermat47 02-07-14 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz (Post 2172425)
We all know why our neighbors to the south want to come here. Same as any other immigrant. Looking for a piece of the American dream. Better opportunities, living conditions etcetera, etcetera. They can work a job knowing that a band of banditos isn't going to rob them on the way home from work. I guess they forgot about our own banditos in DC and the state houses who rob you before you even get your check.:roll:

One thing's for sure, we're all sleeping. That's the only way to get the American dream. Then you awaken to the nightmare.:wah:

Good post.

Stealhead 02-07-14 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dread Knot (Post 2172314)
They seem to go hand in hand. It was immigrants, illegal and legal who did a good share of the fighting. 1.2 million Hispanics and Latinos are veterans of the US armed forces. They currently make up about 14% of the US Marine Corps.

http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/imag...6312/size0.jpg


True(partly) but they must either be legal citizens or possess a green card to serve any person regardless of origin.After the Dream Act some are pushing to allow illegals to enlist but currently being an illegal immigrant is a no go for enlisting.

Not a thing to me a legal immigrant serving I knew several Croatians and a few Filipinos all of the Hispanics I knew where already citizens.

I rather dislike the idea of an illegal being allowed to enlist.If a legal citizen gets kicked out for falsifying information in order to enlist how rightly can an illegal who violated the law be permitted that is highly contradictory.

I also believe that many in the military those with green cards in particular would be very displeased if illegals where allowed in and where eventually given legal status.In an all volunteer force you want to avoid polices that cause members to choose not to reenlist and others to not consider enlisting at all.A person in the military holding a green card may have to serve for a decade or more before being naturalized(depending on how long they had a green card prior to enlisting).


So there are 1.2 million Hispanic vets that are either citizens (some of them prior to enlisting and most born in the US nullifying them from this topic) or legal residents.

Phyrrus 02-08-14 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2172315)
That is quite funny, as apparently the "you people in Britain" currently have yourself and the Bulgarians as top of the list on nationalities of "invaders" to be got rid of.:hmmm:

Indeed, I count myself among them too. I lived among british, native brits are my friends, working class common folks, like me. I understand their bitterness, and I feel their pain, I have the same sourness in my mouth, and I want them to sort the immigration problem, even if that means myself being banished from GB.
What you dont know, that I went there to WORK, work hard and earn a living. But most of romanians (they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies) do NOT go there for work, they just want the social security, the go there to beg on the streets and rob and steal and get social security money, then come home and have a BMW X5 with the money they stole in England. I know because I see them both here and there.

About us being top of the list, I dunno, check some statistics, east europeeans are only a small percent of all your foreigners, compared to pakistaneese or chineese or arabs or god knows who else. Get to your senses, east europeeans are NOT europe's biggest problem. At least WE are europeeans. Some of us... :)

Phyrrus 02-08-14 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2172346)
Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

My friend Oberon, I've been in covenience stores in LONDON (the capital of UK you know) in which NONE of the pakistanese (sorry, PAKISTANI, thanks for the heads up, Stealhead) employees COULD NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, but tried to charge me 15 quids for a pack of Golden Virginia tobacco back in 2008. I can give you the adress of the store, it is in Borehamwood.
This is just an example. There are thousand small bits like these that make english people feel inconfortable in their own homeland. Even my immigrant blood boiled seeing those lazy good-for-nothing people in the hearts of England.
Of course, I am aware that THIS is the direct result of UK explointing India in the past centuries, yes, but that is another story...

Phyrrus 02-08-14 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 2172367)
You do know that border is 1,954 miles (3,145 km) long, and almost all of it barren desert? That's a lot of ground to cover for "a big machine gun".

Lol Steve, that was just a figure of speech :)
Put two on every mile, still way cheaper for US citizens than treating all the problems that occur on behalf of immigration. 3908 machineguns + 2 operators for each's total cost would be just 18% of your annual military spending. Not taking into account the USA goverment buget allocated for treating social problems, like immigration and it's consequences, like high criminality. It would be still way cheaper for you... But as I said before: who would clean the public toilets then?

Stealhead 02-08-14 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrus (Post 2172550)
My friend Oberon, I've been in covenience stores in LONDON (the capital of UK you know) in which NONE of the pakistanese employees COULD NOT SPEAK ENGLISH,


None of the employees could not speak English in London? Sorry to hear that they could speak English and swindled you.

What is pakistanese? Half Chinese and half Pakistani?

You do realize that "lazy gypsy" Romanians developed Silent Hunter 3,4,5?


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