Lockheed F-80 Shooting Star. They didn't see full service until after the war, but in November 1944 four YP-80-As were rushed to Italy as Project Extroversion. As far as I know they didn't see any combat, but they were there.

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One plane I really like that I never see much regarding, the P-39 Air Cobra, the middle mounted engine just gives it a unique look to it...

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Actually Me109 and Bf109 are both correct terms.Bf is a German abbreviation for the name of the company Bayerische Flugzeugwerke(Bavarian Aircraft Works) the company that Mr.Willy Messerschmidt worked for when he designed the 109 and 110 in late summer 1938 he bought Bayerische Flugzeugwerke and it became a part of Messerschmidt after this date RLM used the Me prefix on all aircraft designed from the company so if it was produced many post 1938 109s could be found with factory ID plates that said Bf or Me right up to the end of the war.

Clearly even the Germans themselves used both names interchangeably therefore either term Me or Bf is correct.I used Me109 under Jimbunas photo as RAF pilots used the term Me109 most all allied pilots ID 109s as Me during the war.A friend of mine his grandfather will tell you stories about cannon shells from an Me109 and how they nearly blew him apart in his B-17 I'd dare not say to him "sir it is Bf109 not Me109" because he would justly slap me in the face.

I've got a big list but heres a few.

Me-109 G-2
B-239
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P-51 D Mustang
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F4F Wildcat
F4U-1A Corsair
Supermarine Spitfire
Hawker Hurricane
Ho-229 and/or Go-229
B-24 Liberator
D.H Mosquito
Me-262

Is there anyone here who can even read that sentence?

No. According to Warplanes of the Third Reich, by William Green (a Brit), any plane designed before the name change to Messerschmitt AG is properly Bf, and any after, starting with the Me-163 Komet, is of course Me. What any Allied pilots called them is irrelevant.

F4U Corsair:salute:

:o

He's lucky to be alive, that cannon was brutally powerful!

I've always likes the P-38. I can't say why. Perhaps the fact that it looks so different from most of the other planes of it's era.

My favorite bomber is the B-17. Here in Houston, we've got "Texas Raiders" that fireftr18 posted up on the north side, and down south in Galveston, we've got "Thunderbird". Every so often, you hear that sound, look up, and watch as one of these legends passes overhead.

Lately, I've really come to appreciate the C-47. It's not a sleek, sexy fighter, or a heavy hitter, but it was important in its role in winning the war, and the fact that there's still folks using it today is just impressive.

Because it looks COOL! :rock:

I've never had a personal favorite. There are just so many of them. I've always been a fan of prototypes, and have built models of a few, but never all the ones I wanted to. The B-17 holds a special place in my heart, because Utah's own Hill Air Force Base was named for Major Ployer P. Hill, who died flying the prototype at Wright field, and in 1990 I built a model of the 299 for Hill AFB's 50th anniversary. It's still the centerpiece of the museum entrance.
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That's awesome. I will have to add that museum to the list of places I need to visit someday.

Edit: You even have a great story about the model.

It's nothing to compare to Wright-Patterson, but they have quite a few planes on display, and I think it's worth the trip.

Just be sure to PM me before you come. :sunny:

It is relevant when during the war allied intelligence incorrectly IDed them as Me109s and I said in the above post (that was too long a of sentence for you sorry.... for the error it was not intended) even 109s on their factory ID plates could be found with both the Bf prefix or the Me prefix.Therefore even the Germans themselves used both prefixes even though "officially" RLM said it was "Bf" not every factory got the message.

Allied intelligence never got the message and assumed that the Me prefix applied to all Messerschmidt designs even those originally produced by
Bayerische Flugzeugwerke(Bf).In fact RLM wanted the BF prefix to stay with the 109 allied intel had no way of knowing this until the war ended.So Me109 was used as the ID by the men that actually fought against them in WWII therefore as i said it is for the sake of historical accuracy relevant.That is why I used the term Me109 in my post under Jimbunas photo it is what would have been said in any RAF fighter wing or any allied fighter unit during the war.

Yes I fully agree that the correct name is Bf109.What I am saying is that giving the historical facts and terms used by all sides during the war it is 1005 correct to say that allied pilots IDed and knew the plane as Me109.If a film about WWII allied fighter pilots where to show the men refer to the BF109 as BF 109 and not Me109 the terminology used would be incorrect based on the actual terminology used by Allied air crews during the war. Maybe i did not come across that way before but that was what I was trying to say.

Agree to disagree I suppose.

Unless you feel like settling it with a dog fight?:03:

By the way part of my typo errors are to blame on the new keyboard I have.It is washable and the keys are raised in a funny way and my clumsy fingers are not used to it.As a result i might miss some "." here and there.

I see your Canadian Spit pose, Jim and raise you my Canadian Spit pose :D

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I've never seen that. On the other hand I've been told that since the 109 was so modular that older version got new wings, new engines and that in some parts of the world there were Bf-109Gs with 'E' factory plates on the fuselage.

Fair enough, though I would like to know more about the 'Me' plates.

Jimbuna wins his has 9 kills.

A Bf109G with E parts seems kind of odd I wonder if they meant "F" parts.I read that supposedly RLM would refuse paperwork orders for Bf109s if they used Me109 in the paper work this is interesting as it implies that it was referred to Me109 by many in Luftwaffe even at a level high enough to approve work orders to be sent out.


I happen to have picture as a matter of fact notice anything missing?
Clearly these are two 109s produced after Messerschmidt became the company owner.Based On what I can find
it seems that on official paperwork they where to be referred to as Bf109s I don't know if any of that documentation still
is in existence.

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Well then allow me to elaborate.

P51-D Mustang was one of the greatest comeback designs of the war, with the assistance of Rolls-Royce Merlin being the final piece of the puzzle that made the P51 come out in flying colors. Just because it's the most cliched aircraft of the war doesn't make it any less fantastic. It had a superb climb rate, and armed with drop tanks the fuel efficient design helped carry these agile and heavily armed fighters right into Germany. It also doubled as an effective CAS fighter-bomber. Not to mention it is simply beautiful.

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The B-29 was a very sturdy piece of engineering, and it was a fantastic advancement in aerospace technology, with remote controlled turrets, advanced bomb sights, pressurized cabins (with heating), and a massive payload and range. it's range of 3250 miles was previously unmatched, as was it's bomb capacity of 20000 pounds of bombs.

The SBD Dauntless dive-bombers were the planes that turned the tide in the pacific (whilst not discrediting whatsoever the role of the avengers). It's reliability, ruggedness, great payload, great handling, defensive armament, and success allowed it to still be the dive bomber of choice for pilots after the SBD-2 helldiver was comissioned (the pilots referred to the SBD-2 as the Son-of-a-*redacted* second class because it was a comparably piss poor flyer). Its role in Midway, along with TBF avengers, were incalculable to the success of the U.S military in the pacific.

the F6F Hellcat was not as fast as the F4U, and not quite as manuverable, but it was a monster and a VERY capable aircraft. It was faster than the zero, had a fantastic rugged quality to it, and claimed 56% of all U.S Navy/Marine air victories of the war, attesting to it's qualities as a fighter and a flyer.

Adding on, there's definitely a noteworthy mention of the Nakajima Ki-84 'Frank", the best fighter to see large scale operations for the Japanese during the war. Captured planes showed it to be faster than the P-51 and P-47, and it was comparable to some of the other top allied fighters, and also was able to reach B-29s at their maximum altitude. It was formidable, with 20mm (room for up to 30) cannons and multiple 50 cal machine guns, and design improvements over the oscar, made it a great design and a great aircraft.

The ME-262 was revolutionary in it's jet propulsion technology, and was all around a good fighter with unmatched speed and fantastic armament, though it's impact on the war was too late and it's use was limited by Hitler's vision of it being a bomber rather than a fighter.

the F4U Corsair was pretty much the best fighter aircraft used in WW2. Although i consider it a tie with the P51, it is an outstanding aircraft with a gull-wing design, the ability to be a great fighter-bomber, and it's outstanding qualities as a fighter, very fast, very agile, rugged, dependable, and powerful, it really was one of the best

And of course, i've already explained why the C-47 is important to me, but it's ruggedness, dependability, range, and role in providing the allies with a great transport aircraft make it the best transport of the war. Dropping troops into the enemy's backyard night and day, delivering supplies, commandos, and filling the ever expanding role of paratroopers, while also being the aircraft which my grandfather served in as a flight engineer, i can't help but put it on the list.

And some worthy notations to the 8-ton P-47 thunderbolt, the P-61 black widow, the Vought V-173 flying pancake, the spitfire, and the P-40 Warhawk.

Where does it say 'Me' or 'Bf'?:hmm2:

Nowhere that is why I posted them it disproves what many on either side of the BF vs. ME claim as thier prrof of being correct.It does not use either prefix.

Bauart translates directly into English as desgin though I think it means design bureau in German.

The second word scah is an abbreviation as it translates directly as "properly" it most likely means ID/serial number.

The last word is werk or works that is the factory number assigned to the location the plane was assembled and most likely a Julian date or some other form of coding showing the day of completion.



The top one has 227 that date is August 14th 227 only occurs on leap years so august 14 1944.

You will notice that they do not use the same exact coding system either.

the last number in the werk line might also be the number produced the top being the 227th and the bottom one being the 1917th of that given version.Who knows though every manufacturer uses different coding systems and these are each from a different maker.One is "NKF" and the other is "Erla Machinewerk".

That was pretty good your hired.