Yes. I promise to do this, but now that I am elected and entrenched in my position "forget" you (as Cee lo Green says, you know that forget is really a 4 letter curse right?)

You ever heard of Cincinnatus?

He was given dictator powers from the the senate of Rome. He won his war, reliquished his powers and went back to his farm. George Washington tried to follow this example. He was a shoe-in for the first American King, but wanted no part.

I am so for term limits, perhaps we will have more people like Washington and Cincinnatus rather than Gingriches or Romneys.

You can run on any platform you like, but once you get to DC, the party whip greets you and says "Ok, the party will support you on this, this and this, but when you said that - forget it. Not happening. We'll help you out so long as you help us out and vote with the rest of the caucus or you'll be a one termer. Got it? Good. Now let's go have drinks with the lobbyists."

What could anyone add to this but...


:salute::salute::salute::salute::salute:
:yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah:
:up::up::up::up::up::up::up::up:

It is what it is.

So a constructive question...

What can we do about it?
Nothing, except outright revolt will please them, and I doubt the ability of the national guard to fire on civvies.

Then again seeing as how police treated non violent protestors this fall in NYC, we are lucky we do not have concentration camps.

(call me full of crap, until I link abuse vids from you tube, from multiple cities. Tony Baloney (Anthony Balongna) is a real cop, macing sitting women...)

Or do we..FEMA?

*cough* BERKELEY!! *cough cough*

:o

I'm going to go curl up in a fetal position, repeatedly watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", and get quite drunk now.

Little known fact: "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" was the first film advertised as "based on a true story". They need to make another one called "Mr.Moneybags hires lobby and gets what he wants from Washington without having to actually go to Washington".

What? I assume your referring to Kent State, not Berkeley?

If you were - you can hardly call people who burn cars, buildings, throw rocks and tear gas cannisters at soldiers, etc. - "civilians". While I would say that the shootings there were not necessarily "justified", history shows that the Guard at the scene were in fact assaulted by your so called "civilians". Legal review also determined that the Guard was involved in a legal dispursement - which was refused by many.

So, arsonists and other criminals who refuse to abide by the law we have in this land, who then assault armed soldiers - are somehow innocent civilians?

Well, if thats your view, then its easy to guess your view on palestinian terrorists too..... Guess they are all just "innocent civvies" as well....

Kent State was a tragedy - but to absolve one side of guilt and blame only the other, is a refusal of historical fact and an intentional disregard for the reality of personal responsibiltiy.

Two of the Kent State dead were part of the protest. The other two were walking from one class to another. Nine other students were wounded. One Guardsman was injured, about 10 minutes before the shooting began.

Yes, some of the protestors were out of line. That doesn't change the fact that the National Guard was completely out of line and the shooting unwarranted.

wow:doh:
I didn't think anything could top the OP:down:

Ah I get it now, its just building a nice scarecrow.

Even Baldric can outwit that one in a tactical situation:rotfl2:

I have seen FEMA mentioned twice in this thread. What grand conspiracy concerning FEMA is being alluded too? :hmmm:

Go to the home page of the opening piece, it is very good for a laugh, just click on any random piece.
Or for FEMA conspiracies in particular just look for Jones and his pieces on the secret FEMA concentration camps which Obama is going to put the US population into, or Obamas secret personal FEMA army of errrrrr....Nazi dentists which are going to round up the population as part of his new world order corporate communist jewish nazi capitalist european african arab atheist federal muslim illuminati scheme:yeah:

Or if you want to take it more seriously just take the "constitutional expert" in the article and read his work on the constitution, see how many lines you can get through before you are absolutely sure without a shadow of a doubt that he is clueless.

Whichever approach you take one thing is certain......Bubbles really delivered on this one:rotfl2:

Yes, I meant Kent State. :oops:

The point that I was trying to make, Hap, is that the Guard has been known in the past to fire on civilians. I didn't try to explain why they did it, nor cast blame at one side or the other. :yep:

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how it is. What do you think would happen to a politician who would would tell the party leadership "forget the party, I am going to do what I feel is best"?

1. They won't be on any important committees
2. Their bills will die in committee
3. They won't get any money or support from the party either during their term or for their reelection.

End result, a complete waste of everything.

The priorities of a politician are

1. Get elected/reelected
2. Get others of their party elected/reelected
3. Garner support for their party and their party's agenda/platform
5. Do something good for the country as long as it does not conflict with 1-4

I wonder what priority 4 is? That's where you separate good and bad politicians. But that is way down the list.

It is one of the weaknesses of our democratic representative form of government.

While the FEMA thing is most likely nutjob speculation(would not put it past obama, shame how many people have blinders on about this guy, read his first book, look at his actions especially his recent attack on religious liberty.I am an atheist but believe in the constitution which obviously obama does not) the list of his impeachable offenses was spot on, so I posted it.Tribes you ignorant little man, glad to see you enjoyed it.

Haha, I would never attend those colleges, they are mostly christian run indoctrination centers that are just as ignorant as the left wingers. The problem with the left leaning professors is they teach their ideology and not what they are supposed to teach. Example, a pre law professor taught the "living constitution" like it was standard when it is not.This Professor became quite irritated when I challenged him, some agreed with me, others with the professor ,while many just droned on like sheep and did not engage in the discussion.Fair in his grading? Yes, I was awarded an A in his course.Fair in his teaching? NO That is where it gets dangerous, most professors know the majority of undergraduate students have no firm views as of yet and many attempt to indoctrinate them.That is why many undergrads are so insanely liberal, most grow out of it from what I understand, but the seeds are definitely planted in undergrad.

Professors at my Law School are not all left wing hacks but seems most of them I have this term are, so I am a bit more irritated than normal.I have to tell you, it really is irritating when you watch someone abuse their position to spread a harmful ideology instead of teaching.Keeping things fair, right wing professors(not that many really) do the same in many cases but academia is currently dominated by liberals.Bottom line, one may have their ignorant left/socialist/commie views etc and are the scum of the earth, because their beliefs put the collective over individual liberty, but don't abuse the position.

Most likely???????:rotfl2:

Is that why you posted a piece by an "expert" who clearly shows he is clueless:doh:
maybe he mixed up the finer details of hunting ghosts and US history and got confused:hmmm:

By "spot on" do you mean mostly drivel or do you live in an alternate universe?

Well after that link ......:har::har::har::har:
Keep showing your intellect boy, your deliveries are much appreciated:up:

I read up on this nut job about a year or so ago. He is without a doubt a nut job. FEMA has very little time for crack headed ideas like this person has drafted. Do you really want to know what FEMA does during times like this were there is very little needed for relief? The construct "what if" scenarios. We exercise all year for the most outlandish problems arising we can find. There is no time or grand conspiracy for FEMA concentration camps. That is just laughable.

My most favorite exercise concerned the islands of Hawaii. The scenario is some weather event has made the water on the adjacent island to the main island undrinkable. We were tasked with finding costs to purchase from the mainland and fly via Antonov to Hawaii piping that would be connected end to end from the island with good water to the island with bad water.

In the meantime...we have the military with equipment that can just about make drinkable water from anything!!! Fly a few out to the island and start making good water. :doh:

And this guy thinks FEMA/Obama are running concentration camps. That's rich! :har:

Oh god...I hope the people from that website don't read that, you know what it will spark off....secret FEMA plans to turn hawaii into an offshore prison and take away its statehood so US citizens can be tricked into going there and then ending up in the legal limbo of Obamas new Oahu Gitmo. Plus them sneaky obama new world orderer people will be choosing Hawaii to be sure they can keep secret the fake birth cert which they have kept hidden from examination by concerned true patriots:salute:

Obama orders the extension of the secret military program to put mind controlling communist drugs in fake water

OK, this got me curious. Let's suppose for a while that the academic world has over population of people leaning left (which I don't agree with based on my own studies, but can't say how it is on the other side of the ocean.)

Why is it then that the professors, people with high education, long career and obvious accomplishments since they have been appointed professors from all the doctors out there on their fields, tend to be leaning left?

Academia is insulated. Communism is a great system - on paper. But its a failure in the real world. Academia does not exist in the real world. Professors are like design engineers - it "works" on their computer, in their lab, etc. The "theory" of liberalism is great - but impossible to impliment "in the field" - because the theory discounts basic human nature. Its a variable that simply cannot be accounted for, because it cannot be consistently anticipated correctly.

In the US, especially in the college system, you have instructors that have never gone out and DONE what they teach. They have "book" smarts, but in a real world environment - even in their own field, they cannot succeed. Take a computer programming instructor - give him spaghetti code that has a couple of errors - and he flounders trying to find them. Why? Because its not "what its supposed to be" - its not nicely commented, documented, etc. So he isn't efficient in solving the issue.

Due to the way Academia works - many teachers get tenure. This is their goal - once they get it, it doesn't matter how good or bad they are in the classroom - they basically have "a job for life". The biggest problem is that tenure is often decided by the relevant department - meaning its less about success in teaching, and more about interdepartmental politics.

So you have a system that does nothing to help the "teacher" really understand the subject, and further insulates him or her from ever having to deal with the "fieldwork" that would give them perspective as to what the real world is like. When all you ever see, touch, hear, feel is the "theory" - you can't grasp how or why it doesn't work. So instead of getting that understanding, these professors write articles, garner the praise of others with the same perspective, and thus reinforce their viewpoints (and each others) from inside their own little bubble. When your experience and circle of influence points in one direction, you stick with it - and as time goes on it becomes harder and harder to see anything outside that perspective. Especially when there is no requirement to "go outside the box" and experience something that would grant a different perspective.

Find the professors with real life application experience - and you find the ones that do not follow the "standard" leftist viewpoint. Granted, that is a generality, but one that is fairly accurate.