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Commander Mysenses

11-30-11 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1796195)

Agreed...on occasion when one party is anti everything you try to aspire to, you can occasionally be poked in the eye once too often... Iran needs to drop the stick or suffer/experience the potential consequences of their actions.

Search/Replace: Iran for N Korea

Jimbuna

11-30-11 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jumpy (Post 1796453)

Too many 'fronts' in the ME already for western military. Not to mention decision by committee is a bad way to do anything like that; the consensus is always warped badly at the end of it - look at france and the decision to depose saddam (they profit from being the largest civil engineering contractor now though - source R4 politics discussion).

Can't say for anyone else, but our military is overstretched and under funded/equipped as it is. Like it or not, it's more than we can support financially or politically or with supply of materiel.

Unless we're going to nuke 'em and blame it on poor iranian nuclear health and safety?

As for iran and the bomb, unlike the mad ideologues of the cold war, the 'god is great' contingent think martyrdom is cool. That makes them the kind of people who perhaps need to be 'removed' so they cannot have the bomb, for the sake of the rest of us who have been there and done that obsessive game of thermonuclear brinkmanship for 50 years already.
Iirc they even rejected russian help/oversight in building civilian nuclear facilities, insisting on doing it all themselves. Either that is a symptom of national pride or a reasonably clear suggestion that their nuclear intentions and not purely benign.

^ :up:

Jimbuna

11-30-11 08:53 AM

Some embassy staff have left Iran and gone to Dubai "for their own safety" and Norway has closed its embassy.

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Britain is withdrawing some diplomats from Iran following the attack on its embassy in the capital, Tehran, on Tuesday, diplomatic sources say.
The Foreign Office said "some staff" were leaving "for their own safety", but gave no further details of the numbers involved.
Norway has said it has closed its embassy, citing security concerns.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15956946

1480	11-30-11 10:33 AM

Just heard on the radio up my way that the British government has ordered or actually shut down the Iran embassy in England......so much for those pesky college student pranks.:hmmm:

Skybird

11-30-11 10:45 AM

Germany shuts down in Teheran, too.

1480	11-30-11 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1796661)

Germany shuts down in Teheran, too.

Hmmmmmm :hmmm:

Is anyone liking where the wind is blowing now....

1480	11-30-11 11:11 AM

From William Hague, in regards of Iran:

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He said there had been "some degree of regime consent" in the attacks on the embassy and on another UK diplomatic compound in Tehran.

So there you go August :up:

MH	11-30-11 11:18 AM

In Iran things like that CANT"T happen without agreement from government....
Its not occupy Downing Street movement lol

Well...maybe it is...

geetrue

11-30-11 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1796372)

It's obvious that this attack was not only officially sanctioned but orchestrated by the Iranian regime. You can't deal with such people.

War is coming. :yep:

Two years ago the Lord said, "Iran would find out why we call our planes Hornets"

This year the Lord said, "The Russians are up to no good"

If war is coming ... Russia will not be far behind on defending them

My grandson is over there right now in an undisclosed location very close to the problem.

The war drums are beating :cry:

antikristuseke

11-30-11 02:39 PM

Get help, please.

geetrue

11-30-11 02:51 PM

It's good to know which side your on when traveling the Persian Gulf :yep:

http://www.aegis.com/images/flags/Iran-map.jpg

Platapus

11-30-11 05:33 PM

Thinkin about history...

About 20 years ago, congress was under a great deal of pressure to make massive cuts in the military. The peace dividend was what it was touted as. The Military Industrial Complex was worried.

Then came the need to take military action concerning Kuwait and the result is another generation of increased military spending. Wini for the MIC :up:

Fast forward to 2011. Congress is under a great deal of pressure to make massive cuts in the military. The Budget Control Act of 2011 is what it is called.

Now if only we could have some "military necessity" that would preclude the "automatic" cuts dictated by the BCA. Hmmm. AQ is coughing up blood. Lybia is over. Nothing much going on in Egypt. North Korea is still junior varsity.... Pakistan has nukes....

Who can be the bad guy?.... Who don't we like?... Who can we get the public spun up about? We need a military emergency......

I wonder what Nayirah al-***7778;aba***7717; is doing these days? Get Hill & Knowlton on the phone. They probably have Nayirah on speed dial. :yep:

Skybird

11-30-11 06:02 PM

91: choice of letting Iraq annex Kuwait and become the dominatiung milutary power in the region, or not. Some may say it was a war of wish, others may say it was a war of need. I think it was a bit of both.

02: Afghanistan. Incompetent handling and incompetent longerm strategy (ort lack of). But: an attack was carried out against the US first. War of need.

03: Iraq. War of wish. What should I say more about it?

Iran, future: question of letting Iran become nuclear bomb owner, with the high danger of nuclear prliferation, from that: nuclear terror strikes by groups "IKOran ha dnothing to do with", and a nuclear arms race in a highly instabile region driven by centuries of hate and animosity and irrational hysteria, plus thge Iranian promise to annihilate Israel, and the option to atomically blackmail the West and kick the US out of the Gulf by nuclear threats. If a war is waged about this to deny Iran these options, I consider it to be a war of need.

It is a bit more complex than jkust a catchy slogan, Platapus. And this I admit although I am pretty much aware of the problem with the American industrial military complex that you point at, and have criticised it myself before.

Rockstar

11-30-11 06:27 PM

This whole mess could have been averted. I was thinking we should have opened a dummy embassy in Tehran just so that the European ones would be spared. An empty building full of mannequins wearing hawaiian shirts and cameras around their necks. With a big sign outside saying 'Great Satan Embassy'.

It would have given them something to lob tomatoes at. :know:

They do have tomatoes right? :hmmm:

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Jimbuna

11-30-11 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1480 (Post 1796654)

Just heard on the radio up my way that the British government has ordered or actually shut down the Iran embassy in England......so much for those pesky college student pranks.:hmmm:

Looks like your correct :yep:

UK to expel all Iranian diplomats over embassy attack

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The UK is to expel all Iranian diplomats following the storming of its embassy in Tehran, Foreign Secretary William Hague has announced.
He said he had ordered the immediate closure of the Iranian embassy in London.
Tuesday's attack by hundreds of protesters followed Britain's decision to impose further sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme.
The sanctions led to Iran's parliament reducing diplomatic ties with the UK.
Mr Hague said he was demanding the immediate closure of the Iranian embassy in London, with all its staff to leave the UK within 48 hours.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15966628

Skybird

11-30-11 06:57 PM

Correction: Germany does not closs its embassy, but just calls back the ambassador "for consultations". So do France and the Netherlands as well.

"And even if hope lived only for a day, it nevertheless has lived."

Yeah. Lovely.

I think we should completely cancel all diplomatic relations, and kick all Iranian diplomats out. We owe it to ourselves. Western diplomcy in the past - how man years? Ten? Fifteen? Well, it has talked a lot and has accieved nothing. Nothing. Simply nothing.

Iranian diplomacy however has acchieved the maximum possible score regarding their objectives. Obviously we are not doing well in the diplomacy game.

Maybe we should consider to switch to a game where we are more competent to play.

Jimbuna

11-30-11 07:02 PM

I had to laugh when I read the part where the Iranians stated they thought the British government were being "hasty" :DL

Torplexed

11-30-11 09:09 PM

Before you Brits lock up and leave your embassy, strew the floors liberally with some cheap paperback copies of Salman Rushdie's book, The Satanic Verses.

That'll hack the future tenants off. :D

Jimbuna

12-02-11 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 1797101)

Before you Brits lock up and leave your embassy, strew the floors liberally with some cheap paperback copies of Salman Rushdie's book, The Satanic Verses.

That'll hack the future tenants off. :D

LOL :DL

GOOD RIDDANCE...DON'T HURRY BACK!!

Iran diplomats to leave UK after Tehran embassy attack

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Diplomats working at the Iranian embassy in London must leave Britain by Friday afternoon.
They must depart by 14:00 GMT. Their expulsion was ordered by Foreign Secretary William Hague after the British embassy in Tehran was stormed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15996943

1480	12-02-11 09:36 AM

Need to look at cutting entitlements. Can cuts be made in defense? I am sure there are. Getting SSI because "I'm too fat to work" just doesn't cut it in my book.

Back on topic, due to its geographical make up, a conventional military action in Iran is a lose/lose situation. Though it would not surprise me of hearing many more large explosions throughout the country in the next few weeks.

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