Chinese suffering during the war is almost indescribable. A recent careful estimate based on Chinese archives suggests a figure of four million military and eighteen million civilian dead. Another 95 million Chinese are estimated to have become refugees. Pretty comparable to the misery that went on in the Soviet Union during the German invasion.

Hind sight is so GREAT!
Just think if we could stop all the really bad things done in the past!
Jesus would still be alive,
(Well, I guess he is if you look at the Mexican names)
We in the U.S.A. would still be British,
(No nasty new type Warfare allowed)
Those pesky Upsidedowners would still be prisoners in Australia.
And Hitler would have been shot dead in WWI.
But it don't work that way!
We do what is decided to be best at the worst of times.
Then live with the results!
Japan started the crap.
Japan got far less then should have been delivered!
They, along with Germany were working towards the A-Bomb!
Both would have used it to a much greater extent them the U.S.A. did.
So I feel no remorse that it was used as it was.
I only think maybe it should have been used in a wider context.

Amen

http://www.patricksaviation.com/file...0026_14691.jpg

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I for one refuse to use hind sight to judge anything I may have done in the past.
I did what I did in many cases based on REAL TIME events and results!
I can see everyone I terminated as if it was just a few moments ago.
I will NEVER feel sorry I put a bullet through them!
I feel sorrow for thier families but not them.
I'd do it all again in the wink of an eye!
You want a fight?
Be ready for a fight!
Death in all it's horror awaits in such a situation!
To use todays bleeding heart feelings means nothing to those who died in the '40's!
I can see many here who would change thier outlooks very quickly should the same situations appear today.

You'll say you would not.
But I know better!

When your Wife or your Children or your Mothers or Fathers are at risk?
You will become a killer of extreme skills!
That is our nature.
And for a very good reason!

Very well said.

Takeda, you are wrong.
Do not judge looking at an issue solely on the minds of those that will not even really look at an issue.
For example on air bombardments it was good to see the holocaust denier Zeewolf popping his head in, I used to share similar views on Dresden as he still holds .....but when you further explore the issue and take in lots more information then you do realise that commonly held shallow views do lead to bollox conclusions.

Is that DCS new flight sim? :DL

Look at the cockpit and scenery textures!!! Simply awesome.

Was The Bombing of Pearl Harbor Necessary?

Best argument so far:haha:

Meh, it's not that good... :O:

Military target vs civilian target. Also just because the enemy does something, it doesn't justify you doing it in return (or worse).

I never called you schizo. Truman, I was referring to. Being quoted as saying one thing, at one time, then quoted as saying another. Hypocritical would have been apt as well, perhaps. With Truman.

Yea, well, just because people get paid the Big Bucks doesn't mean we can't question their decisions, nor does it mean that they were necessarily right either.

Thank God August 6th is over in two hours, so we can go back to not thinking about Hiroshima for the other 364 days of the year.

Apologies, my error.

Truman wasn't schizo however, just an ethical man forced by situations beyond his control to act in a way seen by some here as criminal. Richard Rhodes quotes him after Nagasaki as saying he "can't stand killing all those kids." when he ordered the third atomic mission cancelled and the 'pit' to remain at Los Alamos. Perhaps he feared if it was sent to Tinian the attack would happen anyway. Or not.

Until next year then...

Your cat is adorable, Subnuts. :up:

I've got a better idea.
How about i admit that the posting of this thread was a bad idea and we all start from square one again?
I'll make sure I don't ever post any WW2 matters, where either the US or Germany are involved, that way I can't be considered a European Circle Jerk, or people insinuating that i am a US hater or that i deliberately post these topics to stir up people's feelings.
A few of you have thrown one of those insinuations against me.
Most of you subtly, 1 person not so. Which i won't forget.
Once again, i am not a US hater, nor am i a PRO European, that thinks Europe rules over everything.
I understand it may be hard to analyze and to understand why a person posts a particular subject matter online, because you being online you can not gauge the poster's true motifs via face to face discussions beforehand, nor do you know the person in real life for a good, accepted amount of time to know what political, religious, or otherwise worldly beliefs he/she holds.
In closing, the nay-sayers about me couldn't be further from the mark, with what they have said about me.
And why do we fall continuously back on the "yea but it won't change people's minds" argument?
No-one is trying to change people's minds here, as i expressed earlier in this thread.
I think sometimes the 'rules of forums' go out the window, when a subject matter is posted on a forum and if it is to your liking, or you share interest in that topic, ie have valid opinions on that topic, you enter the thread and make some contributions, which can be gauged as mature and responsible.
Whereas in this thread, and the Dresden one, the rule, if you will, of people who don't give a flying rat's @&& or who think that the OP is just a hater of a country which he/she is posting about seems to be not upheld.
Shame that.
Let me ask the nay-sayers of me, a question:
How many times do I venture into a thread that I don't have any interest in and post pics in it which advertise my displeasure in a way which is almost certain to incite a strong dislike from the OP, especially if that poster insinuates things which are far-fetched and can be taken personal?
How many times have i entered a thread which i don't find interesting and insinuate personal judgment on the OP, which might i add is unfair?
I'll leave it at that. Make of this comment what you will.
I hope you read it with a open mind and a non-defensive attitude.

Not a problem :salute:

Not likely, see post # 77 :O:

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@ Ducimus and Feuer Frei: I don't care who cares, but I care that you care so little for Neal that you once again choose to ignore his rules on language.

I've no problem with this post. Aug. 6th was the day. Other dates have meaning which we have brought up here to go over, so no big deal. If anyone doesn't like it they don't have to even open the thread if they prefer.

Til next time...