Hello hot button, called Religious ramrodding.

Screw that noise. I have enough strength of character to know right from wrong without the aid of an invisible all knowing father figure to tell me what to do. Unfortunately, not everyone in our society has the same strength of character, and needs a crutch. I'm guessing you need a crutch.

Here's your crutch. Enjoy.
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This, I like! :har:

Mike.

Just as an FYI I have subsiquently gone through this thread and trimmed out the excessively sexist or sexual comments. I did that instead of giving out infractions this time.

Duci, that is about the most ridiculas sticker I have seen. :hmmm: Perhaps it should be on Harry Potter books as well. :DL

No they didn't, except for the part where they didn't want any religion running the country. James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution", didn't want Congress to have chaplains unless they paid them out of their own pockets, and he also didn't want any churches to get special priveledges or tax breaks. Jefferson was an absolute enemy of organized religion.

Not really. Most of the original colonies were founded as business propositions.

How do you figure that? Most of our laws have nothing to do with religion at all, and it seems to be ingrained in man to be a social animal and to try to work together. Sure, religion can have a civilizing influence, but that doesn't mean that we are the way we are because of God; that is the reason implied by those who believe, but that doesn't make it so.

That is true, but it applies just as much to the ones who believe as to the ones who don't. You see the non-believers as perverting our rights and using us for their own agendas. True, but others see the believers as subverting our rights for their own agendas, and no better than the non-believers. I see both, and the people who want to make this a "Christian" country (which, despite wishful thinking to the contrary it never was) as just as dangerous as the ones you're afraid of.

Or "Natural" Rights". However they came about, they are ours, and Right is just as responsible for the out of control government as the Left. You seem to be trying to blame one side only for our problems, and you're wrong on that.

And that's strictly your belief, not proven fact.

Do billions of people accept the Harry Potter books as fact, and use them as the basis of their belief? I know some do, but not that many, I hope.

Jedi, anyone?

The "so what" of it is you took Armistead's argument, made it into some strawman about politicians not being able believe in God or some nonsense, and ran with it. I brought it back to his original point: it is a problem when people push their religious beliefs into government, or advocate such. Sarah Palin has done so on numerous occasions.

Do you deny that conflating politics and religion is a bad idea?

Star Trek anyone? :haha:

I just find that sticker comical Steve. Probably because people suffer these issues even without reading the Bible.

Whatever happened to, "Let he among you without sin cast the first stone"? Like it or not, yubba, this country's been heading towards that cliff for a long time, regardless of who was in office. Absolute power has corrupted absolutely, in the very face of the predominant Christianity of this country.

I tend more to the left than the right, and happen to be an atheist. Guess this means I'm doomed, because I don't march to your conservative Christian drum? Looks like, at the worst, I'll be first against the wall when the Christian revolution comes, or if 'm lucky, perhaps just a lower-tiered "person of interest."

That's ok, see in this free soceity you can think what ever you want that's what makes America great, try that in China, Russia,and any other rat hole country, and you will more than likely be lined up on a wall, but more than likely you'll be on your knees with a bullet in the back of your head. I'll pray for your soul anyway, that's what good christian folk do. I myself and millions like me will be kicking en screamin and fightin before we let the left drag us over, be careful what you wish for, because you will never be able to pay for it.

That's just it, yubba, we're NOT allowed to think what we want - the PC crowd, and the religious one - has seen to that. Know of any atheist presidents? Yeah, me neither. How about any (proven!) Muslim ones? We've had what, one, maybe two Roman Catholics in office... the upper echelon of leadership in this country is, predominantly (and almost exclusively) of the Christian bent. President Bush Sr. is alleged to have said that atheists couldn't even be considered citizens or patriots in this nation under God. Sounds to me like I'm being considered a second-class citizen. (Now, this is alleged, not proven, and the person alleging it is an atheist activist; that said, the Bush Presidential Library did release letters concerning this 1987 interview, and at the time, the Bush campaign did nothing to discredit the statement.) With knowledge of this potential bias, the fact that it is discussed some twenty years on suggests veracity in the sentiment, if not in the words itself.

If we're allowed to say and think and believe what we want, explain to me why the last brick & mortar college I went to had an exclusively titled "Black Student Union" and that's fine, but a similarly titled "White Student Union" would have the ACLU's little-girl pants in a wad; further, if we're allowed to believe what we want, give me one - just one - good secular reason to oppose the rights of homosexuals to marry, or for abortion to be outlawed.

One good, non-religious, non-judgmental, secular reason for those two things.

See you just did think about it, now it's up too you, me and anybody else who wants too be free in this nation too do something about it. All it takes is the first step. Or maybe you would like Shiara Law.

Hey look everybody! We have our own home grown right wing christian extremist insinuating militant threats. How very christian!

See folks, this is why i detest church. In specific, hardliner christian's because they do not practice what they preach. They talk about how your supposed to show tolerance, understanding, and compassion, and yet they have none themselves. They are the biggest hypocrite's in America, worthy only of scorn and contempt.

And people wonder why i hate religion so much. HA!

Here's your Ha.
 

Who do you think the people were, that was in the American Revolution with Britian, they were christians they fought and died, so you can destroy the country they have created. I don't recall insinuating a militant threat but if that's what you think, then fine it's america, well at least I got too see what the Left, has to offer in Wisconsin, Godless Union thugs, these will be the faces of your new tax collectors and task masters so enjoy. You hate me and Sarah because we are right, so tell me what's so appealling of the Left, they promise you something that me and others are going to have to pay for. When we beat the British they could at least go back to England. Ha

You're gunna have a blast in provo then.:haha::03::salute:

Yubba's idea of the perfect America, is a christian version of Iran. Only instead of the Islamic Republic of Iran, it would be called the Christian Republic of America, and we'd all wear the yoke of religious oppression in his theocratic dream world :har:

Or Orem, or American fork, where ever. The thing is, i know what im getting into before I move. It's their area, they were they're first, and i chose to move there anyway. So I really don't have any excuse to complain when i can't buy beer on a sunday. Mormon's aren't remotely as bad as mainstream Evangelical Christians. The beleifs are weird, but they show respect towards others and aren't all that hipocritical (edit: Although they are judgemental). I can live with that.

man you guys are funny
 

Ok say, the Left wins, you can already see the oppression going on right now, gas over 4 dollars, food prices sky rocketting, 44 million people on food stamps , millions out of work, brought to you by the liberal left and they want to spend more money, that we don't have, and grow more government, and all they can think of, is tax the rich, and when the rich are gone, they will turn on each other, now that's funny. :woot:and where do guys think up this stuff, and what is wrong beleiving in the Consitution and a little bit of god, won't hurt some of you guys to beleive in something . If you don't stand for something you fall for everything like we can spend our way out of this or we have to pass this to see what's in this bill, now that's the funniest thing I've ever heard

What a short memory you have.

I don't converse with fence posts. So here's a picture instead.
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