By telling them we simply dont think that this site is a good idea? Really how hard is that?

By letting them erect this Mosque is indeed showing them they are winning.

All religion should be practiced in the privacy of ones home and mind in my opinion. Unfortunately, thats not how it is, hence most wars in human history.

They haven't been told that many dont approve? How does becoming an intolerant police state hurt thier cause? Thats what the extremists want the world to be.

If you could extrapulate on your answer and tell us which wars were religious based, other than the obvious crusades, which could be called economic in nature, I would be forever grateful.

Cheers

LOL! Are you serious? If you are I will start compiling my list for you, but it may take a while. :haha:

Yep. Totally seriuos. I can only hope you include the social, political, cultural influences in your analysis of religious wars. Don't forget the byzantine and Russian empires in your discussion, and how atheism could have prevented the conflicts.

Yes, it will take you quite a while but it is neccessary research if you want to make the claim that religion caused so many wars.

Thats someone who is going to start law school who recently berated someone finishing law school for paying attention to their studies.
Which is so surreal :rotfl2:

That is because you have problems seeing anything much.

:rotfl2:

You mean like the ones at pearl harbour?




Oh dear, another entirely irrelevant attempt by Aramike who can't see the problem:har::har::har:
Any attempt to apply such laws in this case would be unconstitutional.


A fool and his money are easily parted, given the number of delis and meat markets on the block is there any way it would pay?
Perhaps he could open a pub instead.....oh no too many of those already, how about opening a strip club as the nearest one is just round the corner.

You mean another one in addition to the one already at the site?

What grounds was it denied on ?
Parking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sed_civil_wars


Here is a link to just a few religious based civil wars. If you can refute religion as the major cause of any of these I will continue with this hilarity.

So you don't want to do the research. OK, then you live in the dark ages of neo-atheism. That is your decision of course but it certainly diminishes your authority as it pertains to history in general and why warfare has occured in particular.

It that the best you can do? Go ahead, refute even one.

When wikipedia is peer reviewed, your opportunity awaits, then I will comment. Besides many are muslim based civil wars which have nothing to to w/ religion. Most are power based, which is my argument.

You can make the argument that the church was the power . But there was mostly a secular power in the advancement of many wars, and the church was moral authority the king/prince required politically..

Wow, ok then. I guess we see your limits. Perhaps you need a more reputable source before you can bother? What will be a good enough medium for you to start putting meat on your argument?



"Once started religious strife has a tendency to go on and on, to become permanent feuds. Today we see such intractable inter-religious wars in Northern Ireland, between Jews and Muslims and Christians in Palestine, Hindus and Muslims in South Asia and in many other places. Attempts to bring about peace have failed again and again. Always the extremist elements invoking past injustices, imagined or real, will succeed in torpedoing the peace efforts and bringing about another bout of hostility." Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad, Prime Minister of Malaysia

Prove your point about religion being the source of war. And then we will talk about limits. History is alwas more than the limits we place on it or the place we currently have within it. A study of the history on all levels will lead you to a different conclusion regarding war and religion. If it doesn't you haven't opened your mind.

An example is ...you only know what happened today based on what a/the media outlet you encountered. Does that mean that was all that happened today? Logic should tell you no,....more happened .

Oh my gawd I'm having a life crisis... I agree with Harry Reid :o

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ea41AD9HKOTM04

Oh I forgot its an election year...

Suddenly Reid is smarter than Obama?

No he is the same old hard core progressive, its just that his is an election year for him so...

Someone should ask Pelosi too ;)

I can understand and respect that. It is just that the thread has touched upon legalities so I wanted to clear things up for myself.
I am not opposed to bitching about things you don't like, that is a right as is responding to the bitching with counter bitching, turning it into a never ending cyclone of bitchage, which can either be bitching or more annoying than a bitch in heat (some dog owners can attest to that).And this is what I really take objection to, treating islam as if it was a single conscious entity. It is not, there are as many interpretations of islam as there are of christianity, just lumping it all into the same pot is far to great of a generalisation to be acceptable in my book.

It guarantees that the Federal government can't stop it just because you don't like it.

So if you feel like taking away my freedom to go outside on Tuesdays, you can? The Tenth keeps the Feds from interfering with the powers that properly belong to the States and to the People, which is exactly what some here seem to be advocating.

Except where the Constitution guarantees equal rights and protections under the law for everyone. You would deny someone the right to build something where he wants to. Is that not about the Constitution?

I didn't accuse you of "Obama-hating". My response was aimed directly at yours, which seemed to me equally vapid.

And how exactly do you 'know' this. It looks like nothing more than your opinion.

Get real? The problem is that you don't argue like a college graduate. You argue, and write, like the average trailer-park scholar whose only knowledge is what he's heard from Rush Limbaugh. You give your opinion, call it fact, and if somebody questions it you become defensive and cite your 'credentials'. If you don't like what somebody says, you call him "scum". Sorry, but you don't sound like you're ready to start high school, much less law school.

Everything I just said has nothing to do with who you are, but only with how you express yourself.

Had any good 'Church and State' discussions lately? You're correct about people on the Left only supporting the Constitution when it suits them, but it's true of the Right as well, so you need to give more facts and less opinion.

No, this is solely about the legal right to build a building, and people who want to stop it because they hate the people who want to build it.

And there you go with the childish pseudo-swearing again. As for the memorials you mention, of course I would stand dead square against them, but in the case of Pearl Harbor, it's America, and if the local zoning commission approved it and it passed muster with the higher authorities, I would support it, on LEGAL grounds. If you're going to law school you'd better learn the difference between what you like and what is right, because they aren't always going to be the same. Call it PC if you like, but you are the one opposing the freedoms we stand for simply because you don't like the folks who want to build a building.

I talk about an idelogy, and I insist on pointing out that ideologies tend to have the nasty habit of educating people to take on certain attitudes, to accept certain beliefs, to run their thinking under certain pre-assumptions and preconditions tjhat are confrom with said ideology, and even to become intolerant towards others. If ideologies would fail in doing all this, they would not survive for long.

Islam is a fundamentlist ideology by essence and nature. It is totalitarian by design - that is an inherent feature, and it is intentional in being so.

Islam is not like any other relgion, Islam is more policy and about social and cultural control than anything else. It is deeply "monoculturalistic" and supremacistic.

there are fundamentlaistrs in other relgions, yes. Fundamentalist christoians tend to be in violation of Christ's teachings that did not support intolerant and aggressive fundamentalism at all. But muhammad has taught intolerant and aggressive, supressive and supremacist fundamentlism for sure. That is why fundamentalism in islam, different to Christianity, is not a violation or aberation, but is nature and essence of it.

So, i have a problem with religion where it steps forward and tries to seize the public space, because then it is no more a private thing of the individual's intimmate relation to what he/she thinks szhe must believe in, but it becomes profane powerpolitics. If kept private, I do not care for it, if you want you can believe in the flying spaghetti monster or the maculate conception :): I honestely do not care. Keep thy relgion to thyself, do not dare to bother others with your precious thoughts, you have no right to demand other needing to take note of your beliefs. but when you want others to believe the same way like you do, when you want public education, löegal system and social rules being chnaged to match the content of your beolief - then you get problems with people like me: becasue we have no doubt that freedom is by far the more precious good to be defended, for the sake of the few and the sake of the many, and not just for the sake of some powerhungry self-declare elites and supremacist demagogues.

If you have a new model for the world you want others to pay triubute to, then you have to convince people in the way it is done in scientific hypothesis-, theory- and model-building: the classic heritage of ancient greek philosophy. That is the best strategy to do things that human mind has developed so far. Everything else is just random chance, blind believing in the fairy queen, and unchecked hear-say. And that is not what has brought our culture to the ammount of knowledge and freedom that we have today.