People who call it a minor side show and so on need to read a few good books on the subject.

The difference is not that obvious. Under the Hakko Ichiu doctrine, the Japanese viewed themselves as a master race with a destiny to rule over Asia. Its not that different from the Nazi ideology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakk%C5%8D_ichiu

I recommend:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4...instthesun.jpg

Read it twice, fantastic.

Funny you should post that, got it on my bookshelf. :salute::up:

That movie was sweet, man!

Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good :D

So in addition to someone stealing the strawberrys, someone stole the letter "I"?

And I have proved this with geometric logic!

(rolling ball bearings in my hand)

Great movie, very loosely based on the november 44 Typhoon than sank 3 tin cans.

remember, these are 1957 special effects...just focus on the acting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqf0...eature=related

Great performance by Bogart and also José Ferrer, who played the Navy lawyer defending the men accused of mutiny. Best bit IMO is when he crashes the celebratory party after their acquittal and tells them all off, then says that if anyone wants to take it up with him mano a mano he'll be outside waiting. Then he adds, "I'm drunk, so it'll be a fair fight." :haha:

But it's another movie that IMO suffers from the unfortunate inclusion of a "romantic" subplot which really seems to add nothing to it all and just bores me to tears every time they cut to those scenes. Don't know if it was in the book, if so and it worked there, I don't think they did a very good job of working it into the movie version.

http://chzhistoriclols.files.wordpre...c10ad2b4a2.jpg

Only because of my anal-retentive nature, the exact quote is

If you wanna do anything about it, I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are - so it'll be a fair fight.

yeah, I know, this why I have no friends. :nope:

Dammit I knew I shoulda looked it up to be sure.

But hey at least I remembered it was José and not Mel before I hit "Submit." :O:

He also had an arm in a cast so that would have been an interesting fight.

So has anyone besides Raptor1 and me read the book?

Now that's not what I heard! Mr BenAflakfan.....

:har:

My favorite part of the PTO, is the early part of the War, when it was still an even fight or the Japanese had the upper hand. I think it took a lot of courage to fight in those early days.

Its on my bookshelf but I have not yet read it. :oops:

I don't know when I'll find time to read it since I don't read as much as I did a year ago (no time). I kinda want to finish the mystery I reading then dropped to read The Bear and the Dragon.

Outgunned and poorly equipped... But on the flipside I wouldn't have wanted to go up against the desperate late-war Japanese army either.

Actually there's a lot more of the romance, and a lot more of the action, and a lot more of the characterization, and a lot more of everything, and while the main plot is spot-on the background story is a lot longer. If they had filmed the book exactly it would have been five hours long and a whole lot more boring.

Book is better, but the film works better the way it is.

Herman Wouk also rewrote his novel as a stage play, and though I've never seen it the 1988 The Caine Mutiny Court Martial is supposed to be as good as the movie.

I read Wouk's "Winds of War" and "War and remembrance". Good to show the epic sweep of WW2, but overall, I find his writing a bit to soap opera-ish.

Btw, there was a real-life "caine mutiny" aboard a US ship, the USS Vance in 1965:

http://www.aspen-ridge.net/DE_R_s/US...uss_vance.html

I read War and Remembrance (Haven't read Winds of War yet, though I have it). I enjoyed it, though there are a few parts which are mighty boring and a few parts in it's description of the war itself which could've been better (But only just a few, it's mostly very accurate).

The Caine Mutiny is a very different type of book though.

"Sands of Iwo Jima"

"They Were Expendable"

"Guadalcanal Diary"

"Battlecry"