Too late, I'm already on the hunt. :DL


EDIT:

The Composite Wing. Of all things I would forget... :damn:

And he's gone. Looks like it will be Petraeus again.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.word...yourefired.jpg

With this song in the background.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVUvpdT-NY

Well, we all saw that one coming. Typical tyrant practicing typical tyrannical rule. Petraeus should turn down the job and resign as well.

The writing was on the walls.

Well played by Obama, actually.

Yes. I'm not a real Obama guy, but this was like Truman and MacArthur. Right or wrong, he can't publically ridicule the civilian leadership.

I would have to agree. If BO let this slide it would really be open season.

:haha: :har:

McArthur was a loose cannon openly trying to chang policy in the theater.

McChrystal (or rather his aides) made a few remarks....

But sure Obama is a stern taskmaster... right...

In the meantime .. Patraeus ????? you got to be kidding me.. Isnt he the guy they had lambasted and literally called a liar? Frankly I'm supprised he took the job.

My god you cant make this stuff up !!! Patraeus !!!! oh gawd my sides hurt from laughing.

Laugh all you like, but it was entirely inappropriate to make those remarks. Obama was right in this case. I know you really don't like Obama at all, but you are two-stepping around the central issue so that you can take shots at the guy.

No no not at all I felt McChrystal should have resigned... which is what he did.

If I recall correctly McCarther did not and was 'fired'.

Slight difference.

Furthermore it has come to light that there evidenlty nothing all that really subordinate was said by McChrystal.

I dont think we have heard the last of this.

I read the Rolling Stone article, and frankly I did not see anything that I could see would violate Article 88.

The reporter is a douche and his career is over for I doubt anyone would ever trust him again. I was going to write about journalistic integrity but I could not stop giggling when I tried to use the world journalism and integrity in the same sentence.

I first served under Reagan and since Regan I heard high ranking military guys bitchin about the President. I am sure that the same happened to presidents before my military service. To me there is a huge difference between what happens behind the doors and a public statement. That's where the reporter failed to understand.

I think McChrystal needed to have his butt chewed and told to put his ego on hold and not to talk to the press (the press is no one's friend). I also think he should have been sent back to AF to fix his COIN problem.

This makes me more suspicious that McChrystal wanted to retire before he can be blamed for the COIN failures in AF. The second part of the Rolling Stone article was pretty interesting.

When stuff like this happens I am reminded of one of my favourite Truman quotes when he describes the firing of MacArthur.



:D

I'm pleased he jumped before he was pushed....wouldn't give him the public satisfaction I suspect :hmmm:

It's rich, isn't it? Obama now appoints a man who's plan he for the surge in Iraq he condemned to failure. A "Bush" guy. The same general that MoveOn.org stated should be tried for treason.

Let's hope he can figure a way out of this mess.

Good luck to him :up:

The Runaway General


That it is, the news?

Yes I also ultimatly hope things get better there.

Ultimatly McChrystil resigned beause Obama would not listen to him.

Will Obama listen to Patraeous? Will Patraeous toe the line?


WTH? I'm pretty sure there was other issues involved.

Honestly it was hard to get throught he first coupla paragraphs.





Egads whats with these names :doh: forgive me if I constantly misspell them.

Indeed. former president Koehler resigned after he was viciously attacked over statements by him about the role of the German military, attacks that were carried out in a way that was meant to hurt him personally and to distort him beyond the matter itself. His formulations in an interview were chosen somewhat unlucky, giving the impression that he thinks it is okay to use the german military for economic interests only, which in Germany is - officially - not as acceptable as it is in for example America. However, Koehler was tired of office, and found himself being met with lacking respect for his office as president, which he also gave as a reason in his farewell speech. It was said there were many disputes in the presidential offices, with him not being able to bring order to it. If you look at how the parties - especially Merkel herself - already abuse the elections for the new president again to push their own power-interests, then you cannot escape that Koehler's claim that the institution of the president is met with lacking respect, is true.

There are political and lobbyistic hyenas in office everywhere, and they will not stop their biting and fighting before they have torn the country into pieces.

Koehler was popular with the people, but he acted without luck and realised that the president as an institution in germany is - meaningless, and purely ceremonial. This was tough for him to realise, since he expected quite some formal and ceremonial respect for himself indeed, that presidents before him did not demand.

The Rolling Stone puts it simply wrong - at least most extremely simplified - if it writes that Koehler quit over Afghanistan.

What bothers me right now is that at the Nuremburg Trials, German Officers were imprisoned if not executed for "Only following orders" and not standing up to or criticizing their leaders.

Here we have a General who is pissed off about the way the government is handling the war in Afghanistan and is criticizing the Administration, and now he is being forced to resign because he isn't "Just following orders"

Seems rather hypocritical to me.

Nobody is saying the General can't criticize his leaders, just that he shouldn't be doing it in uniform.