Sheep instinct, plain and simple answer. And also, an answer that is hard to swallow by some.

Last I checked Ubi was the only company that did WWII sub sims...

It's hard for me to swallow, since it's wrong.

Quiet simple really...in my case anyway, and i'm certain there are others out there in the community that have the game (yes, i finally purchased the game a week ago) that are not happy with the product, it's "state" and patch delays but are not continuously bleating dissatisfaction at every opportunity that comes our way (namely when a new thread is started and the topic seems to in a lot of cases fall back onto old ground). What happened to actually addressing the thread title?
Just because we the gameowners who don't flood the forum with the usual comments, doesn't mean to say we aren't happy, far from it.
It has been stated that a patch update has been delayed, for whatever reason.
It has been stated that the current gameplay is not satisfactory (buggy).
It requires certain "elements" to play the game.
All known facts and factors that i, amongst others "adopted" when purchasing the game.
It is also a known fact that life goes on, that comments have been raised about this game and how unsatisfactory it is.
It is also a well-known fact that life goes on and that certain things in life are beyond my control and that i cannot, to the fullest of my powers change the original state of release of this game, nor can i, with all my will power and physical strength change the release date of the newest patch on the horizon.
So, considering this, i certainly could have taken the stance and not bought the game to show my dissatisfaction that way, but, after reading numerous threads about how people actually are able to get a decent and playable "chunk" ot of this game, i took the steps to purchase the game.
Just because i am waiting patiently and not flooding threads with my dissatisfaction doesn't mean to say i am not displeased with the state of this game.
However, what it does mean is that, unless i had majority share in Ubisoft and it's interests and a direct say in it's day-to-day runnings, which i don't, then i will sit back and await further support for this game, via patches and such. Not a great deal i can do about that.
And further support and hard work from the modders, to whom i'm endlessly greatful for.
Yes i know, we are all entitled to our opinions, sure, of course we are, no arguements or disrespect here, the above is my opinion, as a game owner, not everyone thinks like me, nor do i expect them too, but i can honestly say that rather than flooding threads with posts of how rubbish the company is or how stupid the delay of the patch is, or how stupid the people are that are involved in this game, be a little bit more creative and diplomatic with your posts, be a little more original in your thoughts and displeasure, i am not advocating you shouldn't voice your opinions, far from it, just show a little tact, and don't fall into the easy trap of just posting "yea Ubisoft s****, or the Devs are stupid, or other such monotonous comments.
The patch will come when it comes, the game has been released mostly unsatisfactory, online requirements are needed to play, modders are required to polish the game and to make it more enjoyable, yes, but, that is all in the past now, this is here and now.
You have the game, you paid good money for it, i'm sorry that the product you bought wasn't satisfactory, i truly am (no sarcasm here), but for goodness sake, let's move on.
Old saying:
"If you don't like something in your life, then change it".

Only Ubi and SH? I'll assume that's some kind of language issue, otherwise the notion is absurd.

I've had more fun with sh3 than any other game, ever. It's #1 on my all time favorites list. I'm also enjoying sh4... not perfect, but it's up there pretty high on my list. IL2 is another Ubi product that I rate high. I guess if I could only keep one company's games on my system, I'd have to go with Ubi. So I guess they get some leeway since they're one of the few companies that even ATTEMPT to make simulators.

Indeed, patch issues and bugs and the need for mods are not indicative of Silent Hunter 5, ie Ubosift only!

+1 excellent post - sums up the way I feel , especially the bit I've bolded:up:

I suppose the only answer to why SH5 is what it is, is simply because I don't deserve it.

Feuer, I think that people should have higher quality standards and expectations when buy things. The "this is the only sub sim, so I take what is given and shut up" argument is a poor one. With this you just encourage the producer to further develop low quality games and services.

Seriously, putting aside we are talking about a game here, actually this is a brilliant business model. Developing products or services for a small but constant market where is no quality expectations is actually a gold mine. I don't give a rat ass about what my customers think or say, if they want my product, they better shut up and pray that I keep this business up.

It remembers me the Seinfeld's "Soup Nazi" episode!

Certainly my post isn't meant to infer that people should shut up and not complain, nor does it infer that people should be happy with an unfinished product.
It also doesn't advocate that people don't have a right, as paying customers to expect a good, quality product.
If you read my post, it does none of the things you allege.
It neither alleges or indicates that this is my arguement and that people should NOT complain.
And i think that the developer will either produce more sub sims or turn to other ventures alltogether, i don't think i will have any input into that with my previous post (s).
What however it does do is iterate the stance that we, as game owners should think more carefully about HOW we make our dissatisfactions known to this community.
By posting the usual "blah blah blah s***s, or blah blah blah is delayed, or blah blah blah is not good enough posts is what i am talking about.
Do we need to copy each other's complaint posts?
Let's be a bit more "reasonable", realistic and original in our postings of non-satisfaction of a product.
And in some cases, do we need to continue to post the same negatives. given that we are truly all aware now of the current situation?
I'll be the first to show my displeasure when buying a product if it does not show at minimum a quality design and something that i am happy to pay money for.
But, that doesn't mean to say that i say repeatedly to the shop assistant the same complaint, knowing full well that there are alternative means and ways to do this.
I stand to be corrected.

Absolutely understand this.... Im a project manager for a large aerospace firm. And have seen firsthand what happens when people overpromise to to thier customers... and the suffering it causes in the terms of canceled programs, layoffs, and overall damage it does.

In the DEVs case... I understand wanting to include everything and make your customers go WOW!!! Problem is they have made the same mistake 3 times now..... and havent learned from it.

The price to be paid?? Maybe no SH6? That not only hurts us Subsim grognards (?) but also the Devs as now they will be looking for work elsewhere.

I would have rather seen a SH5 based off of SH4. With some graphics tweaks, and most of the bugs worked on first. THEN if the devs had time start adding new stuff. Better to release a updated and complete product that new users will go WOW! to, and the niche market...us...would go meh its ok..nothing new, then to release something that will turn off most new users due to bugs and have every major game review publication slam.

Again to quote PC Gamer "it seems very obvious that UBI is relying on the MOD community to fix this game"... Not good. But at least the MODDERS got some Props!!

I agree. SHIII and IV were great games, how could they screw up se many things in SHV while not even working from a clean slate? It was all right there in front of them to improve and tweak. They should know what the customer wants by now and and be very familiar with how a subsim should function. Omitting little things like a compass shows me that they obviously haven't been paying attention to us over the years. It just looks like somebody got fixated on the role playing and 3D interior and they couldn't even get that done well.

I'll blame Ubi management if they ever decide on SHVI and keep the same dev team. This is the sort of stuff people get fired over. The third iteration of a product should be an improvement. I don't care how nice the guys are, or if they had a low budget, or short timeline. They screwed up plain and simple. They had a great product to start with and disemboweled the thing. :down:

I'm still not convinced that this was in fact the devs call.
My bet is that something took longer than planned - happens in all projects. Sometimes you can mitigate and absorb the delay and sometimes you can not. So what to do? Do you delay or do you launch?

Ye Gods!! When I saw the title of this thread I thought 'The Burning Times' had begun again and that I would have to hide under the bed :cool:

I'll get my coat:oops:

Cheers

Garion

Right, then. Chalk another one up to "no matter what, the devs are to blame."

Right, then. Chalk another one up to "no matter what, the devs are without any blame."


I think the true answer lies somewhere in-between...



:salute:

You can put me down for "The devs ARE NOT to blame." Next question.

Really - honestly, does it matter who's fault it was ?

Hopefully the patch will sort out the serious problems in a few weeks, till then either find something else to play (I've rediscovered SH3 GWX) or mod the game and play it - it's not a bad game , just needs some tweaking.

But arguing over who's fault it is won't change the way the game is at the moment , or even fix it - so why bother?

Especially as you are never going to find out who was responsible - so its all subjective anyway...

I thought it was the topic of this thread.

It is - and it's a fruitless topic IMO;)