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Max2147 07-06-09 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1129867)
You missed the point.

The point was, when was Biden even asked these questions?

I can't dig through every interview Biden has ever given. I'm sure somebody asked him those sorts of questions towards the start of his political career, back when he was an unknown. Since he didn't flub the answers, nobody remembered them.

CastleBravo 07-06-09 05:08 PM

Well she said she did all this based on here family and what was best for Alaska. Can't we take her on her word until we can prove some other motive?

Skybird 07-06-09 06:02 PM

No, that would be stupid. Simply stupid, and naive.

Max2147 07-06-09 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1129880)
Well she said she did all this based on here family and what was best for Alaska. Can't we take her on her word until we can prove some other motive?

Do you EVER take a politician's word without at least some skepticism?

Aramike 07-06-09 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Max2147 (Post 1129877)
I can't dig through every interview Biden has ever given. I'm sure somebody asked him those sorts of questions towards the start of his political career, back when he was an unknown. Since he didn't flub the answers, nobody remembered them.

Somehow I doubt this, at least in the case of the national media. There was a clear attempt at the "Gotcha" interview.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I don't think that Palin was incredibly quick on her feet during the interviews. But hell, in early interviews during his presidential run Obama wasn't very good either. He became better with practice. And he NEVER faced those types of questions, either.

Max2147 07-06-09 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1129964)
Somehow I doubt this, at least in the case of the national media. There was a clear attempt at the "Gotcha" interview.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I don't think that Palin was incredibly quick on her feet during the interviews. But hell, in early interviews during his presidential run Obama wasn't very good either. He became better with practice. And he NEVER faced those types of questions, either.

Again, Couric did NOT ask Palin difficult questions. The ones she flubbed were very simple questions that even I could answer clearly.

AngusJS 07-06-09 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1129964)
Somehow I doubt this, at least in the case of the national media. There was a clear attempt at the "Gotcha" interview.

In any case, don't get me wrong - I don't think that Palin was incredibly quick on her feet during the interviews. But hell, in early interviews during his presidential run Obama wasn't very good either. He became better with practice. And he NEVER faced those types of questions, either.

The Gibson interview could be seen as a gotcha interview. But the Couric interviews, the ones that signalled Palin's decline, were comprised of one softball after another.

"What newspapers do you read?" is not a gotcha question. It's a question that Palin could have batted out of the park if she had two brain cells to rub together. It didn't have to be Foreign Affairs. It could have been the Wassila Home Snooze for crying out loud. Something. Anything. Do you really think Biden or Obama are so out of it as to be incapable of answering that question?

I am sure Biden and Obama (or McCain) have been caught saying stupid things, as have all politicians. But I highly doubt that any of them could produce such an interview in which they consistently give stupid, nonsensical answers to question after question.

Aramike 07-06-09 10:51 PM

No one's going to get an argument from me that Palin did a terrible job in the Couric interview.

However, even now I get a really odd vibe from Couric during that interview - maybe they were softballs, but some seemed condescendingly soft, like the newspaper question.

CastleBravo 07-06-09 11:58 PM

And Biden has done so well? The press is giving him a break. Or he is too stupid to criticize. Obama ain't no rocket scientist either...how many times has he walked into a door now? Twice.

Buddahaid 07-07-09 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1130053)
And Biden has done so well? The press is giving him a break. Or he is too stupid to criticize. Obama ain't no rocket scientist either...how many times has he walked into a door now? Twice.

A new Ford model?:har:

Buddahaid

mookiemookie 07-07-09 10:59 AM

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But as for whether another pursuit of national office, as she did less than a year ago when she joined Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the race for the White House, would result in the same political blood sport, Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House, she said, the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations.

"I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.

There is no "Department of Law" at the White House.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8016906&page=1

I guess you all are going to say that the "department of reporting" should stop being so hard on her, right? :rotfl:

But Obama "walking into a door" makes him unfit to lead? Yeah, ooooooookaaaaay

Need I remind you?

http://www.liveforexnews.com/jokes/bush_door.jpg

SteamWake 07-08-09 09:38 AM

Media Bias? Ohhhh come on :rotfl:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...odem/Palin.jpg

Buddahaid 07-08-09 10:12 AM

I see you get your news from MAD magazine. Explains a lot. :arrgh!:

Buddahaid

SteamWake 07-08-09 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 1130758)
I see you get your news from MAD magazine. Explains a lot. :arrgh!:

Buddahaid

LOL its from pundit kitchen but it does make a point, about the media.

Platapus 07-08-09 04:29 PM

Palin Wins!!!
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ng-duck-award/

Palin Beats Out Blagojevich for Sitting Duck Award


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The National Society of Newspaper Columnists chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the winner of its annual Sitting Duck Award, a tongue-in-cheek honor that pokes fun at the most ridiculed newsmakers in the United States.

Palin beat out Democrat Rod Blagojevich, the ousted former governor of Illinois allegedly caught trying to sell President Obama's Senate seat.
Blagojevich was the runner-up. Palin was noted for making headline after headline, month after month.

The selection was made last week at a conference in Ventura, Calif.
There's no physical award to go with the Sitting Duck title.
Hey take any win you can! :yeah:

CastleBravo 07-09-09 01:07 PM

In 1754, Lt. Col. George Washington quit the Virginia militia, an obscure fact that now seems a bit more interesting in the wake of Gov. Sarah Palin's resignation in Alaska.
Historians differ on the reason for Washington's resignation. Some say he didn't like the way British soldiers treated him. Others say he was upset because a planned reorganization of the unit would've meant a reduction in rank.

Imagine if you will how the media would've handled the story, if only our modern news creatures had been there to impart their instant wisdom to colonial America.

"Georgy Porgy is one nutty puppy," pundit Maureen Dowd wrote on hearing the news. "George wanted everyone to know that he's not having fun in the Virginia militia and people are being mean to him and he doesn't feel like serving anymore."

Todd Purdum, reporting for Vanity Fair, said the soldier's behavior has been a source of concern.
"Several told me, independently of one another," Purdum wrote, "that they had consulted the definition of 'narcissistic personality disorder' — a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration and lack of empathy — in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders and thought it fit Washington perfectly."

Not to be outdone by speculative "reporting," Colonialist News Network anchor Rick Sanchez asked on the air: "Is there anything going on with him that perhaps may lead him to want to quit the Virginia militia, and the one thing that's still left out there, hey, could young George have gotten a girl pregnant?"

Richard Cohen, writing for the Washington Post, which is not owned by George Washington's family, cleared his throat for 20 paragraphs, put on his most pompous air and announced:

"When the chuckling is over, you have to ask yourself what in the world Washington was doing as a lieutenant colonel in the Virginia militia and what would have happened if a guy like Washington ever became leader of the Colonies — a frightening reality."

Political strategist Ed Rollins said: "Everyone is shocked by this and everyone assumes there's another story. You just don't quit the Virginia militia. You certainly don't do this as a steppingstone to anything else. This makes George look terribly inept. I think that's one of the questions that people have about him. Is Washington substantive enough to be a serious candidate for anything else? This just doesn't make sense. It goes against common sense."

Other journalists in the 13 Colonies agreed that George Washington was finished as a military leader. Among the old, dull journalists with one less thought each year, it was decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Washington by dropping out of the militia had ended what might have been a promising career.

"Nobody would follow this guy anywhere now," as one curator of the conventional wisdom solemnly observed.

A few commentators disagreed.
America's sweetheart, Ann Coulter, said George was too big for the Virginia militia. "I think his quitting was a brilliant move, and I'm baffled by people being baffled. He's a huge, huge star, and meanwhile he's stuck in the Virginia militia when he should be a commander of an entire Colonial Army or something big like that."

William Kristol took it a step further: "This unusual move might be the right move for Washington to become president of the United States, if we had such a position."

Takeda Shingen 07-09-09 01:28 PM

Of course, George Washington, like John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, to name a few, were great communicators of ideas. Palin's rambling press conference would not put her in that sphere, and it would be foolish to attempt to place her in the company of the elite presidents of history.

To that end, Palin is a poor spokesperson for any ideals, let alone conservative ideology. She is not the person the Republican party needs to get back on track. If I truly believed that she were to be leaving politics I would say good riddance, but I am certian that we have not seen the last of her. There is little doubt, however, that the above will be the centerpiece of her camp's argument once she decides to return to the fray. I don't believe that it holds any merit under scrutiny, but that may not render it ineffective. After all this is the 21st Century America, and reason seems to be in short supply.

CastleBravo 07-09-09 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1131512)
Of course, George Washington, like John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, to name a few, were great communicators of ideas. Palin's rambling press conference would not put her in that sphere, and it would be foolish to attempt to place her in the company of the elite presidents of history.

To that end, Palin is a poor spokesperson for any ideals, let alone conservative ideology. She is not the person the Republican party needs to get back on track. If I truly believed that she were to be leaving politics I would say good riddance, but I am certian that we have not seen the last of her. There is little doubt, however, that the above will be the centerpiece of her camp's argument once she decides to return to the fray. I don't believe that it holds any merit under scrutiny, but that may not render it ineffective. After all this is the 21st Century America, and reason seems to be in short supply.

I hear this kind of analysis often, and it is usually while watching MSNBC.
Which begs the question. If she is of such low caliber, why all the attention?

Ultimately Sarah Palin may or may not be in a position to run for high office in the future, but what she represents...a return to conservative ideals seem to strike a cord with people.

It is also very curious that people would take advice from the left asto how the right should conduct itself politically and who their candidates should or shouldn't be. Again if Palin is of such low caliber the left should be jumping in the streets about how fortunate they are.

Takeda Shingen 07-09-09 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1131516)
I hear this kind of analysis often, and it is usually while watching MSNBC.
Which begs the question. If she is of such low caliber, why all the attention?

Ultimately Sarah Palin may or may not be in a position to run for high office in the future, but what she represents...a return to conservative ideals seem to strike a cord with people.

It is also very curious that people would take advice from the left asto how the right should conduct itself politically and who their candidates should or shouldn't be. Again if Palin is of such low caliber the left should be jumping in the streets about how fortunate they are.

I am registered Republican, thank you very much. My ideals are right-of-center, especially fiscally (I care not for social issues so long as they do not interfere with my daily life). I may agree with her ideals, but the presentation is so poor that I do not want her as the spokesperson for my party. There will be others that will come along who will do this more effectively; there always are. In 2001/2002, the Democrats were, effectively, out of politics. They found their voice and their candidate. The Republicans will find their's, but it is important not to grasp at straws. It may take awhile.

In terms of Palin's media attention, I wish it were not so. Still, it is easy to explain: She is a train wreck. The media loves disasters because people will watch. And people love disasters because it makes them feel better about themselves. What a shallow and insecure world we live in. Again, I wish she'd just go away.

mookiemookie 07-09-09 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo (Post 1131516)
I hear this kind of analysis often, and it is usually while watching MSNBC.
Which begs the question. If she is of such low caliber, why all the attention?

All the attention is because of how someone so clearly in over their head was held up by some on the right as the best thing since Reagan. It's mind blowing and laughable that some people still contort themselves into defending her.

So what does she stand for, really? She’s selling us the folksy image devoid of any idea that isn't a buzzword or sloganeering strung together into a semblance of a speech. The smug reassurance that mediocrity is good enough so long as you have the looks and can wink at the camera. The veneer of "conservative ideology" of God and country first (that falls apart if you care to scratch the surface) and whipping up crowds into a frenzy by playing off base emotions of fear and ignorance. She’s an icon, an image that appeals to people that equate folksiness with qualification. An ex-beauty queen that somehow failed upwards enough to be in a position to be the Republican VP nominee. She appeals to people who sit on their sofas, bowl of pretzels in one hand, remote in the other thinking “Hell…If she can do it, I could too! I ain’t gonna…but I could!"

We had a president that was elected based on "who would you like to have a beer with?" and that was disastrous. You would think people would have learned from that.


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