Sh4 is ok, but performance for me drops about 100FPS in sh4, im getting 180+ fps with the 16km environments, and 200+ FPS (sometimes around 300. FPS) without.:o

Respectfully... I just don't see an argument here.

Maybe by better graphics people are assuming you turn on/off various items, or install certain mods that improve the ocean. ...or maybe it's the real 3D damage modelling?

I just don't see where the "cartoon" label fits (even in the stock version). ...and I'm a long time SH3/GWX fan.

I'm only playing the stock SH4 at the moment and I would agree that the sky and ocean looks a little goofy. But I haven't seen anything (yet) that warrants a "cartoon" label.

I assume I can fix the ocean/sky with a mod or two...

SH4 Water in the beginning ( early stock ) was just fair, especially storm conditions, but modders have done wonders with it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...145744_140.jpg

RDP

Wow :o

W............!!!!!!
 

:o :o Jesus!!!!!!!!:o :o

:o What a sea!!!! :o :oops:

I had bought a disk of SH4 just about the moment when it first came out. I loaded it in and had some pretty good frame rates, yet it looked very filtered over, almost hazey/pixellated (not speaking of in-game effects settings) to the point that it felt very "distant" to interact with. So, I had uninstalled SH4 soon after. Back to SH3/GWX3 & loving it all.

Just this past weekend, I had decided to make an adjustment to my system & give SH4 another install and try. Along the way I had heard for a while that ATI cards often suffer from the effects of their own Catalyst Control Center. So, with this potential problem in mind, I went ahead and cleaned out the CCC from my system. Following a registry clean, I re-installed my old SH4, defragged disk, etc. WOW! ~ :D :up: ;)
I am bound for the Pacific fleet!

That could also be the post processing effects option in SH4. For some reason it added this grainy movie like look to the game. Most of the supermods remove it, but here's a standalone mod for it: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ost+processing

It's a screenshot game. The sea is just beautiful in those shots, but in the game it moves like jelly. Not even close to looking natural, the older generation SH3 water right now looks a lot better to me. (Perhaps its my gfx card..)

Thanks mookie, I will take a look at that thread.

I have a nice, super crisp view and gameplay already since my ATI CCC adjustment/removal. I will look forward to adding PE4, etc., very soon. As far as that SH4 post-process checkbox goes, that's just too much effect fuss for real patrols.

Cartoony?

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...201647_531.jpg

The crew looks cartoony. I can't argue there. Everything else that has been modded...you tell me how this pic looks. I do not spend my time looking at my crew so the cartoon guys don't matter to me. They do look better than the chiseled crew in SH3. Just a matter of taste I guess.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...185339_968.jpg

AVGWarhawk
 

:o The sea where your ship breaking in half , are still looking ugly :o Sorry.
No seas shining like that :huh:
:-? In the 2nd picture the sea looks like oilpainting , terrible .:nope: :nope:
I can't understand and figure out , what ubisoft was thinking , when they make the SH4 :stare:
:-? Sorry , but the sea look really strange . I live by the sea in Norway , and it sure
doesn't look like that:shifty: I'm not convinced:roll:

StarLion, just google water+sun and look at some of the pics. The Norvegian water might be different, but the water elsewhere sure seems to do that.

http://www.imagekandi.com/photo/imag...-The-Water.jpg

You're right Fincuan
 

:o Eeeh uh:o :oops: :oops: :oops:

:p

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7...iq3playjd6.jpg :sunny: :rotfl:

I know the feeling Starlion :rotfl:

Norway is not that far away from Denmark, so I enclose some of my own photos made in the end of June from about 7-10 in the evening. And I think that the current environmental mods for SH4 catches that view pretty well, given the circumstance that it's still just a game, and not total realistic. But still, I think it looks far more real than SH3 ever did.
Of course, pc hardware has something to do with the view as well. Having had a top notch high end pc for the last 2 years does the trick for me.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00846.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00868.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00873.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00874.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00875.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00876.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00889.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00892.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00911.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00973.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...s/DSC00974.jpg

However, it sometimes feels against all odds to discuss opinions with someone from the opposite view...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...rsonGifted.jpg

Some people you are just not going to reach. shrugs.

The water in SH4 is far superior than SH3 ever was. But, hey, that is just me.

Put a Type VII U-Boat in that water, call it SH 5 Atlantic and the eee-uh attitude will probably improve 180 degrees. ;)

this last one is mostly true, but there are occasions when SH3 water does it better. Sh4 rules for the calmer seas with rippling. Sometimes it's so good it's astonishing.

But the rougher seas are generally no better than SH3 and often not as good - and this is important for ATO, since rough north atlantic seas are what we think of first.

still i think this problem is due to textures no longer fitting the wavetypes and could probably be fixed in a dedicated Atlantic Environments mod that requires this more often

overall, i love SH4 too. The evasion routines of damaged ships is amazing - it can be so hard to kill a damaged merchant that is really trying to get away from you. You can spend hours trying to finish one off, especially with RFB with the seriously nerfed deck gun

Hehe...true:D

Been a long time since I played SH3 and can not recall the rough weather water to be honest. Not knowing much about modding files, I can say that PE4 and Env 5.0 has done wonders with water reaction/action, color and sea foam. I guess for me seeing INTO the water makes the difference for me. But you know what, water is great and all but it is really about game play as you touched on in your last sentence. So mods like GWX, RFB, TMO, OM that really put forth all efforts to make the game play aspect as best that it can be really make the experience what it is. Each game has it's strong points and perhaps one day UBI will compact it all together!