:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Oh yeah, Skybird, sorry about that earlier. I know he isn't the president yet, but unless something...unfortunate happens, then he'll be for sure:) But could be good to remember, that any mistakes/achievements from the presidentpost for the coming months would come from George.

[edit] woopsie, that was in the other thread, ah hell, I've already said it now:P

You do realize you sound like you are scared drunk right?

Like I said, I was just messin' with you. :) But it does get old hearing other people nagging us to death about things like racism, when it's no different there, or other places. Just wait until you have a Muslim or Jewish candidate running for chanclellor and winning (disclaimer, for all I know Germany may already have had 10 Muslim/Jewish chancellors, I don't keep up with her politics).

Well, at least now the US leads Europe again, fall back into line now, y'all hear? :lol:

Edit: Of course, if ONE crazy lunstic shoots the new President, we will all be gun-crazy racists again. I hope nothing happens to Obama!!

lmfao at all that smurf

Snow, don't let this upset you. We survived four years of Carter, who was a mirror image of Obama. We can manage to stagger through Obama. Who knows, maybe he will surprise us and accomplish some productive, American value objectives.

If not, remember, Marxism always fails in the end, be patient.

Sure why not...? :up:

Nah! Don't give me any undeserved credit. I neither dug in deep[ly], nor should you give me credit for doing so [let's not fool either of ourselves--I don't care much at all for German politics, nor do you expect me to].

So now that we are done with that bit of nonsense:

For Russia US involvement in the middle east is a present right from heaven itself. It binds US ressources, takes away US capability in countering russian endeavors and undermines US authority in general. A McCain with his sabre rattling is the best Russia could hope for, it would play right into their stratetigc interests to brand the US as a hypoctitic agressor and legitimite their ow actions. Or do you think Russia would have dared to march into Georgie with a strong US with all it's forces ready opposing it?
Hardly.

[Yes I think Russia would have marched westward, straight into Georgia, regardless of which US forces opposed it (and even against McCain) . I do also think they WILL march westward in similar fashion against Obama, and I think neither one could...or would really do that much to stop it. We have no forces to speak of in reserve, and they know it.

It's too bad YOUR countries don't seem to know it].

So, I think you are very much screwed, and it's only a matter of time until the Russians begin to test this idea (it's not fear mongering--it's a WARNING, not that there is much point to it (but it's the best I can do for you).

If you cannot build up your forces, then I suggest you, personally, be ready to "bug out" at short notice.

Get Liquid. Sell stocks buy Gold (and get that gold overseas, into the safest haven you can).

Think like a German citizen (a non-nazi) would have in 1935.

Short of using NUKES against them, I don't think we can really help you. So, as I said before, you let us know what you want us to do (and then Obama will decide either to back you up with nukes or let you be run over--I'm not sure which way he will go. Are YOU confident either way?)

So, please stop your fear mongering. We know very well what we owe the US in beeing involved in Europe for so long, but we also know it was by far not an act of pure altruism, but of US strategic interests. And something else to ponder..Germany had the opportunity to unite, the offer from the russian side was on the table, for the price of beeing neutral in the cold war. Instead western Germany chose to stick to the western allies and wait 50 years for reunification, despite beeing the premier battlefield and facing utter destruction in case war broke out. This is by far not as one sided as american folks tend to make it out. I won't even go into the military contribution Germany would have made in such a scenario. Unthankfulness? Hardly a european phenomennon alone.

So, please cut back your emotional rethorics and come back to the facts, yes? I am more then willing to discuss any of your points, as long they are at least remotely based on reality.[/quote]

[The facts? Ok. The reality for me is that I am selling all my US investments and heading for Canada].

In the long-run, I really don't think that will do me much more good than sitting there in Germany will do you over there...but it's all really I CAN do, realistically.


CS

Half right anyway. I am very scared (and I'm not kidding).

FWIW, I don't own any guns. Or even a single Bible.

Yet.


CS

Doesn't it frighten anyone in the least that he doesn't even qualify for security clearance? He is such a liability, he couldn't qualify to be his own Secret Service Agent!

I'll tell you what, if you can refrain from gloating today, I won't tell you I told you so for the next 4 years.

Neal, thanks. I appreciate your attempt at giving me a "chin up."

Thank you.

What scares me so much now is that, every time in the past we had a solid US (a capitalist US) to back everyone else up.

But now we don't. WE have no backup.

The way I see it I have to get out (with everything I have) before Jan 20.

And I'm not very good at "panic flight."


CS

This is part of the orchastrated point that I have been making. Some very influencial people wanted this to happen. They had power enough to squelch all but one news media station (fox). Squelch others in Washington and specifically squelching Hillary Clinton. Let's face it, she was not the stalwart Obama supported she said she would be. What, two stump speechs after his nomination. This election seemed very contrived. As I have stated before, we knew more about Joe the Plumber in under two weeks than we did about Obama in two years. If you look at the squelching of everything about Obama, it is utterly amazing how the glazing over took place with the media. Personally, I blame the media for poor coverage and accurate reporting concerning Obama. The election was almost to perfect. In hindsight, Obama's campaign would probably screamed racism if the media went after him like others who ran for president. Just another bye for Obama.

I suggest Brag write a book on what looks to me like a conspiracy.

Point taken and agreed. I suppose it will be interesting once we do have a serious turkish candidate for the chancelor office.
But, that is the issue here. Racism may always play a role. But the astonishing fact is, that other criteria eventually were more important. And that is all one can ask for. I will be more then happy should this take place in Germany as well and an eventual turkish candidate here gets voted for his concepts, not his cultural background, however debateable that is. Time will tell.

Until that is the case, take pleasure in the fact the world recogized the US progress in this and don't take it offensivly if ppl comment on it in a very positive way. A compliment is a compliment, no more, no less.

look, Germany, Europe and Russia have certain expiriences with each other. Yanno...for like over a thousand years already. We know each other quite well. And we pretty much know what to expect. That comes with history and living right next to each other. Russia is no danger currently. They may try to tinker around with energy exports and will try to expand their sphere of influence over to the Ukraine and other former soviet states. The balitcs are in danger as well and the rest of Europe has to make a clear commitment there. But everything beyond that is quite illusionary at the moment. Putin is no madman, he needs Europe for cash alone. And the russian military and economy is in no state to pose any life threatening danger to european independence anytime soon. If you are of another opinion or disagree, that is your right. I won't try to convince you if you made up your mind already.

... see next post

This is part of the orchastrated point that I have been making. Some very influencial people wanted this to happen. They had power enough to squelch all but one news media station (fox).

Ok, I'll disagree right off the bat with this.

FWIW, I spent the last month ghosting (guesting) a the "hillaryclintonforum.net", where I learned a LOT of things. Those PUMA's were all passionate about HRC. And yet....

....sqelching of any of the media was a complete NON issue (in fact, the general complaint was "why can't we shut down MSNBC?", etc, or "why can't we shut down Huffpo (the Huffington Post?)"

The ONLY positive suggestion I ever heard in this regard was "well....just boycott them.!"

Usually something done on the part of individual memembers only, and not as part of an organized effort (in fact, I cannot think of even ONE organized effort.)


Squelch others in Washington and specifically squelching Hillary Clinton. Let's face it, she was not the stalwart Obama supported she said she would be. What, two stump speechs after his nomination. This election seemed very contrived. As I have stated before, we knew more about Joe the Plumber in under two weeks than we did about Obama in two years. If you look at the squelching of everything about Obama, it is utterly amazing how the glazing over took place with the media. Personally, I blame the media for poor coverage and accurate reporting concerning Obama. The election was almost to perfect. In hindsight, Obama's campaign would probably screamed racism if the media went after him like others who ran for president. Just another bye for Obama.

I suggest Brag write a book on what looks to me like a conspiracy.[/quote]


I would beg to differ as regards the perception of HRC in that same forum. In fact there were a couple of threads offered up after election was clinched which went: This might get me banned (from the forum) but I'm ANGRY with Hillary and Bill for supporting him (Obama).

By their count HRC gave 67 (I think) speeches for BHO, while Bill gave 41.

I'm not kidding.

I was never anything more than a guest in that forum, but I'm quite sure this is true.

My numbers are at least close if not exact. So I suggest you check them there before writing that book (lest either of you be sued for malfeasance). :D

The HRCF, btw, were strong for McCain/Palin, but were also very disgusted with the MSM.

They did agree that the MSM was generally unfair in its' reporting, btw.

So maybe we ALL have that in common.


CS

Christopher. This is just part of the cycle. Don't let it affect you. What Obama has proposed as change in his campaign will not work. Simply put, his brand of government is incompatible with a free nation. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, and watch very vigilantly. But I expect the worst actually. Obama's campaign was a completely fraudulent display. I watched some of the people last night in the crowd and just stood back and shook my head. They have alot of expectations. Expectations Obama cannot fill. If he does what his voters want.....he will most assuredly fail. The more I think about it, the more I'm realizing that this may be the start of a painful Carter era. And look what was brought on the scene after that.

To all of the Obama haters out there, now look just because he is now the president does not mean you just go and say the countrys is going to fail. Personally in a way I feel soory for Obama since he has to go and clean up the mess that Bush felt behind. Even if McCain was elected it still would not be easy, as the US ecnomy is in the toilet!!! I am glad that Obama made it because he will bring change. If McCain was he would let things stay the way that they are now, so those of you here who are of age to retire do you really think that McCain was telling the truth about what he was "going to do", I don't! And to Mr. Snow, you stated that Obama was not a US born citizen well you are WRONG!!!!! John McCain is the one who is not a US born citizen, McCain was born in a Naval Air Station inside of the Panama Canal Zone so techniclly he is not a US born citizen.:huh: Don't belive me well look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain. So who's not a US born citizen now Mr. Snow. Obama was born in Hawaii and most of his family are US citizens which would make him one as well.:know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama

To be honest, I've never understood why the United States limits presidential candidates to strictly US born people. I can understand needing to be a naturalised citizen, and the necessity for a political background such as governor, but surely it should be left to the voters who goes into office.

What happens when a foreign born politician has great ideas, but is restricted from enacting them?

Rules is rules as held up by the Constitution. Then again, Washington has a way of bending the Constitution's rules to fit their need. Nice, huh?

Who would have guessed someone who spent $600 million on advertising would
win the election. No doubt he will be working closely with his large, industrial
contributors when it comes to policy making.
As for any substantial differences: we shall see in time, but I will be surprised if
differences in the perception of the US leader are matched by any departure from
US policy as it has been since 2001.