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stabiz 10-11-08 08:40 PM

You need a break, Subman. You are hurting your own crusade.

Hylander_1314 10-11-08 10:56 PM

Welp, whether the country goes to war or not is the authority of congress not the president. But since the Constitution is sidestepped and by-passed at every turn, most folks think that it is the president's call. He can only ask congress to side with him on the issue.

That is too much power in one mans hands. That is why it left up to congress to make that decision. Just as Roosevelt did on December 8th 1941 in his adress to congress that he asked that a state of war exists between the Unied States of America and the Empire of Japan.

Otherwise he would have been able to muster the troops without anyones input.

Takeda Shingen 10-12-08 04:49 AM

You know, the last political 'crusader' we had on this forum ended up in permanent exile.

Dowly 10-12-08 04:57 AM

Riiiiight... :huh:

Takeda Shingen 10-12-08 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewolf
Man, listening to american party sympathizers is worse then reading russian propaganda over georgia. I hereby predict the next US civil war within the next 10 years if this goes on. Heavens. :nope:

Try living here. I've contemplated moving out of the country during election season. It's agony.

Skybird 10-12-08 05:22 AM

where would you go, Takeda. The schemes and mechanisms/patterns of american campaigning are more and more copied in Europe and Germany as well. the plague is spreading, so to speak. It still may not be as worse over here as it is in your place - but we make good progress.

Raptor1 10-12-08 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
You know, the last political 'crusader' we had on this forum ended up in permanent exile.

Baldwin II of Courtenay?

Konovalov 10-12-08 08:06 AM

Tasteless, tacky, devoid of humour, grossly distorted and without any real purpose. Oh yeah it's another thread started by Subman on Senator Obama. :roll:

Seriously give it up for a while. In your time here at Subsim you have made many meaningful contributions on a wide variety of topics but of recent it appears that you often only wish to post with the intent to elicit outrage by a section of the forum members. You are doing yourself no favours.

Safe-Keeper 10-12-08 09:40 AM

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Tasteless, tacky, devoid of humour, grossly distorted and without any real purpose. Oh yeah it's another thread started by Subman on Senator Obama. :roll:
Couldn't we do the same thing, just for fun? Let's try it out, shall we?

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While McCain has historically opposed tax cuts in favor of deficit reduction,[13][14] he now favors tax cuts.[15]

McCain has declined to sign the pledge of the group Americans for Tax Reform to not add any new taxes or increase existing taxes.[16]
OMG Palin, sorry, McCain is a commie who doesn't want anyone to pay taxes!1

Should the US have an air force? Palin... sorry, McCain says no!

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Pork barrel spending (earmarks) McCain has been called one of the Senate's most outspoken critics of pork barrel spending.[27]
What the ****, no pork? McCain is a politically correct wuzz who's afraid of offending Muslims!

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McCain is a strong proponent of free trade.[33]
McCain supports slavery!

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McCain is against publicly funded health care, universal health care, or health coverage mandates.[56]
McCain to ban health care for the poverty-stricken!

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In April 2007, McCain called global warming "a serious and urgent economic, environmental and national security challenge" and said that the problem "isn't a Hollywood invention."[226]
:o McCain is a liberal!!!!!!!111111111eleven

Add your own:up:!

Biggles 10-12-08 09:49 AM

Is this a desperate attempt from your side to keep the mood up when it becomes more and more clear that McCain/Palin isn't that good after all?

Kipparikalle 10-12-08 11:43 AM

I think he thinks this as a somekind of hobby, just pop from time to time here and piss everyone off, laught at how everyone is just yelling and being all super pissed. And then leaves.

Like if hes bored, and wants to cheer up. He does this

Safe-Keeper 10-12-08 11:58 AM

Regarding OP:
End Iraq war:
Iraq war is not 'defending America', so that's OT.
End wasteful spending: I had no idea that putting an end to the military wasting money would somehow weaken the US. Please explain.
End the unproven missile shield project: I haven't studied the SDI, so can't comment. Not that I think nuclear missiles are that much of a threat right now, but still, can't comment.
Not 'weaponize' space: Fine by me. We don't do it, they don't do it. If the Russkies start building TIE Fighters, we might rethink our strategy.

The rest isn't about disarming the States, except
No new nuclear weapons: Oh no, the US will be left with only a few thousands of them:o!

Sorry, but where in that movie does it say he wants to disarm America:shifty:?

EDIT: And what about...
HOW R WE GONG 2 D3FAND OURSELVES WITHOUT PLAENS AND LAESRS????!!1111 OMG WTF AND WHEN WE DONT DAV3LOP ANY COMBAT SYST3MS IN DA FUTURE WAL B OVERTAEKN BY TEH ANEMY!!1!1!!1 WTF

:p

Task Force 10-12-08 12:24 PM

Has anyone noticed the Subsim moral go down.:-?

Frame57 10-12-08 12:29 PM

The interesting thing I have noticed with regards to people either getting offended or enraged is that 90% or so are folks from other Countries. What! Has ACORN registered all of you to vote in an American election?

Task Force 10-12-08 12:41 PM

I think that politics shouldnt be talked about here, they seem to start arguements.

Raptor1 10-12-08 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
I think that politics shouldnt be talked about here, they seem to start arguements.

I thought politics are arguments by definition

Frame57 10-12-08 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hylander_1314
I didn't say socialism lacks law. If anything, as I understand it, it is more intrusive. So if I took off on a tangent, which I do from time to time, sorry.

But if you look at it, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism are all capitalist. Who "owns" the capital is the difference. Your capital is your means of production. Now if the US Gov. gets it's hands in the mix, it's a recipe for disaster. It takes our foundations and pushes them closer to the edge of the window. Especially since the primary job of the US Gov. is to secure and protect the rights of the people. Not to give them or take them away. Our rights according to the Declaration of Independence come from the Creator. Not from government.
"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Amongst them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
"....that to secure these rights, governments are instituted amongst men."

Thankyou for the compliments on our attitudes of independence, liberty and personal responsibility. But it (responsibility) too is lacking here. On the financial end, how many people use bankruptcy as a way of getting out of their debts. Or how many people think the government owes them. We used to have thing here called debtors prison, and believe it or not, quite a few of the founders spent time there.

I really railed on a close friend who ran up thousands in business investments and then had the audacity to say that it was his right to file bankruptcy since he couldn't afford them. Most of it was in advertising, so the salesreps for these advertisers are guilty of misleading him, but as I told him, he is the most responsible as he is the one who signed off on the contract without thinking it through thoroughly. I was really steamed with this, as he came to me for council on this, and we went over the flagging economy, the fact that when the markets fall into trouble, he is going to fall on hard times. If the people with money don't have it to spend, what is going to happen to the general populace? And trust me, I'm no economist, I never studied it, other than the general education supplied by the public schools (at the time called civics), and recommended reading by my instructors. I couldn't afford college, nor could my folks, and back then, there wasn't common knowledge of grants, and government assistance for advanced schooling. See I did it again.

And I do not harbor any ill will toward the forms of government other countries posess. But to try to integrate them into our form of a Constitutional Republic is counter to what it was founded as. But for the last 90 years our country has been referred to as a democracy, as it is taught that way in the school system, which is incorrect according to the founders. So from a very early age children are indoctrinated to believe a false form. Even Thomas Jefferson who started the "Democratic Republican Party" never referred to our nation as a democracy, nor did Hamilton, Franklin, Madison, Jay, or the other men who argued over what we should have, once independence was secured.

But the more involved the government here gets with business, the closer to a totalitarian system we get. Whether it be any one of them.

Very well said...If you ran for office i would vote for you:D . What you said is 100% on the mark!

Task Force 10-12-08 12:49 PM

yes, but this realy is not the place, as you see people are abusing it, posting stuff like this thread. and lots of people take this stuff seriously and take the offence. Then the conflect gets larger. untill something happens and someone says something that gets them banned (aka keelhualed).

SUBMAN1 10-12-08 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force
yes, but this realy is not the place, as you see people are abusing it, posting stuff like this thread. and lots of people take this stuff seriously and take the offence. Then the conflect gets larger. untill something happens and someone says something that gets them banned (aka keelhualed).

Excuse me man, but i just saw something on YouTube from another link and laughed a bit. I shared. Now the whole world sounds like its coming down. Maybe it was tasteless, but I didn't create it! I just shared.

-S

Task Force 10-12-08 01:06 PM

Sorry subman, wasnt directing it at you. Just this political stuff in gereral.;)


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