Russian leader looks to Stalin's legacy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9o6ZaZHteI

<<Would somebody here understand it, would I be even tolerated in this forum anymore, if I would defend the holocaust and Hitler's crimes, and declare him Germany's second-greatest leader ever...? for the good reputation of this forum probably most of us would agree on that the answer would be: "hardly".>>

Do we remember about Nurnberg?

Was there any Nurnberg about leaders of the Sovet Union from 1923-53?

I do not understand what you wish to say here, and I also do not read Kyrillic.

...?

Point often made by the evil nationalists in Finland, Baltics and Poland.

Obviously not. And that is a cultural failure. that Stalin never was called to responsibility during his lifetime does not make this fact an argument to wash him clean. It is evidence of a huge historic failure.

I once saw World War Two described as a contest between Hitler and Stalin to see who could kill the most Russians.

Hitler won.

Barely.

This is the thing that has led to were we are now, not because provocations of Russias neighbours.

It's online poll The Name of Russia.
Question - which political, scientific or cultural figure in Russian history made the greates contribution to the nation.

If you have PC, you connect and vote.

As of now on the first place Stalin
On the second Knjaz Alexander Nevskiy
On the third Marshal Zhukov.

It's you oppinion.
Yet the poll shows that majority of people of Russia would not share it.
Quite the opposite. They consider him the Name of Russia - a person who made the greatest contribution to their country.

I will bring out the Champagne when you lay in ruins like the Third Reich.

Edward Lucas' thought experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqqgHCqp6ys

A majority in an online poll does not qualify for the description of a qualified majority regarding the total population adressed by this poll. It is a non-representative, non-systematic sample that has at best the character of a hint. This is different to a systematic effort under controlled statistical conditions, which aim add adding representational value to the sample. A poll open to everybody, has no meaning whatever, since the representational quality of the sample is not controlled. I said I know that a new stalin-cult has emerged in Russia. Wether or not the majority of russians subscribe to it, is beyond my judgement.

Do I understand you correctly that you wish to defend your attitude regarding Stalin, as I have explained I perceived your statements?

[quote=Skybird]Well, it would certainly help to read Kyrillic to read all new material recently published in Russia about those years. It is now based on archives not on political winds.
I definitely do not read about Russia in English.

[quote=Bruno Lotse]Good point Bruno.:up:

<<A majority in an online poll does not qualify for the description of a qualified majpoirty regarding the total population adressed by this poll. It is a non-representative, non-systematic sample that has at bets the character of a hint. I said I know that a new stalin-cult has emerged in Russia. Wether or not the majority of russians subscribe to it, is beyond my judgement.>>
It's certainly true. I would also believe in statistics made by people whom I've hired;)
But it is a very strong trend now. It's not the first poll of such a kind. The most recent one was done by Ekho Moskvy and results
Stalin with a huge margin to the second place which took Pushkin, and then Lenin.

[quote=Bruno Lotse]the opened archives have been mentioned in the snippet from the wikipedia entry I gave. The archives alone leaves you with severla million people killed by Stalin.

My question stands: Do I understand you correctly that you wish to defend your attitude regarding Stalin, like I have explained I perceived your statements?

<<Do I understand you correctly that you wish to defend your attitude regarding Stalin, as I have explained I perceived your statements?>>
OK, what is in your oppinion my attitude?
I am listening.

The ones that voted for Pushkin should be saved out of Russia, from the rest that idolize anything from Ivan the Terrible to Stalin and will destroy your country.:hmm:

No, Bruno.. you are supposed to talk... give him an answer to a valid question.

EDIT:
Я понимаю вас правильно что вы желаете защитить вашу ориентацию относительно Сталин, как я объяснял я воспринял ваши заявления?

Is this easier for you, comrade?

EDIT 2: damn.. that looks like greek.. hehe

I am not a mind-reader.
I cannot tell what other person think what I might think.
Please, spell me out what you think is my position and I will try to answer weather it really fits my ideas or not.