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Cohaagen 05-22-08 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by August
Y'know there are over 300 million of us. As difficult as it is for you to imagine it, you have to expect we have at least some differences of opinion amongst ourselves...
Of course, just as there are many, many Britons who opposed the Iraq invasion, the Northern Rock bailout, who oppose the creeping surveillance state and abdication of individual freedoms, etc. But since either resistance has been so anemic, their invective so frail, and protest so ineffectual as to be laughable, they are not deserving of consideration or worthy of referral. As long as the most enlightened level of debate in the States is still on the level of "liberals" and "conservatives" slinging turds at each other I don't see why either should be regarded with anything but contempt and derision.

As Edmund Burke said, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to sit on their fat dimpled orange-peel arses in a NASCAR T-shirt jamming corncobs and ribs into their straining mandibles while debating furiously on an internet forum about why USS Iowa should never have been put in reserve".

August 05-22-08 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
Quote:
Originally Posted by August
Y'know there are over 300 million of us. As difficult as it is for you to imagine it, you have to expect we have at least some differences of opinion amongst ourselves...
Of course, just as there are many, many Britons who opposed the Iraq invasion, the Northern Rock bailout, who oppose the creeping surveillance state and abdication of individual freedoms, etc. But since either resistance has been so anemic, their invective so frail, and protest so ineffectual as to be laughable, they are not deserving of consideration or worthy of referral. As long as the most enlightened level of debate in the States is still on the level of "liberals" and "conservatives" slinging turds at each other I don't see why either should be regarded with anything but contempt and derision.

As Edmund Burke said, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to sit on their fat dimpled orange-peel arses in a NASCAR T-shirt jamming corncobs and ribs into their straining mandibles while debating furiously on an internet forum about why USS Iowa should never have been put in reserve".
That is an interesting opinion. It probably reflects why Scotland was conquered by the English. :p

bradclark1 05-22-08 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
Coal-on Powell (yes, that's how they pronounce it)
Actually it's not. It's pronounced "Coal-in". I have no idea what the rest of your statement is about.
Ribs and Nascar is better than boiled sheep's stomach filled with the heart, liver and lungs served with neeps and tatties and throwing short telephone poles while dressed in a skirt so there.

Cohaagen 05-22-08 07:38 PM
A pretty pathetic attempt at baiting on the level, and exactly in the style, of a Youtube comment. Scotland and England were initially united by James VI, a Scottish monarch. Even then, your comment doesn't make much sense. Still, it's a bit much to expect that level of historical literacy from the land of "we saved your ass in double-ya-double-ya-two", etc.

You'll get no rise out of me by insulting Scotland - the place is a dump. Cretins and hubris-filled balloons to a man with the oil running out fast. I'm British, mate. Blinkered patriotism may be an after-school sport in the US, but it doesn't do well over here.

I always think people'd understand America much better if they all spoke Spanish - you know, the crass, overt, overdone patriotism; the ubiquitous flag-waving, the failed, faded egalitarian ideals; the crude militarism and frothy-mouthed reactionary sentiment. I suppose it's Britain's vanity in assuming that an inherited language belies a shared history. With Spanish as the official language, we'd be much quicker to associate La Republica Estados Unidos with the rest of the overgrown banana republics with a concocted social mythology.

August 05-22-08 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
A pretty pathetic attempt at baiting on the level, and exactly in the style, of a Youtube comment. Scotland and England were initially united by James VI, a Scottish monarch. Even then, your comment doesn't make much sense. Still, it's a bit much to expect that level of historical literacy from the land of "we saved your ass in double-ya-double-ya-two", etc.

You'll get no rise out of me by insulting Scotland - the place is a dump. Cretins and hubris-filled balloons to a man with the oil running out fast. I'm British, mate. Blinkered patriotism may be an after-school sport in the US, but it doesn't do well over here.

I always think people'd understand America much better if they all spoke Spanish - you know, the crass, overt, overdone patriotism; the ubiquitous flag-waving, the failed, faded egalitarian ideals; the crude militarism and frothy-mouthed reactionary sentiment. I suppose it's Britain's vanity in assuming that an inherited language belies a shared history. With Spanish as the official language, we'd be much quicker to associate La Republica Estados Unidos with the rest of the overgrown banana republics with a concocted social mythology.
Are you under any illusions that we care?

NEON DEON 05-22-08 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by August
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cohaagen
A pretty pathetic attempt at baiting on the level, and exactly in the style, of a Youtube comment. Scotland and England were initially united by James VI, a Scottish monarch. Even then, your comment doesn't make much sense. Still, it's a bit much to expect that level of historical literacy from the land of "we saved your ass in double-ya-double-ya-two", etc.

You'll get no rise out of me by insulting Scotland - the place is a dump. Cretins and hubris-filled balloons to a man with the oil running out fast. I'm British, mate. Blinkered patriotism may be an after-school sport in the US, but it doesn't do well over here.

I always think people'd understand America much better if they all spoke Spanish - you know, the crass, overt, overdone patriotism; the ubiquitous flag-waving, the failed, faded egalitarian ideals; the crude militarism and frothy-mouthed reactionary sentiment. I suppose it's Britain's vanity in assuming that an inherited language belies a shared history. With Spanish as the official language, we'd be much quicker to associate La Republica Estados Unidos with the rest of the overgrown banana republics with a concocted social mythology.
Are you under any illusions that we care?
Our friends from across the pond are a bit cranky today.:yep:

Platapus 05-23-08 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by August

Are you under any illusions that we care?

We care about his opinions precisely as we do about yours.

This is simply a forum for people to post their opinions and for other people to post their opinions.

Opinions are like farts

Every ******* has em
They all stink
In polite society, it is often better to keep em to yourself :rotfl:

nikimcbee 05-23-08 06:20 AM
So,if the UN finds racism here, what are they going to do about it?:rotfl:

Put smurfs here to monitor us?:rotfl:

The UN is nothing more than an overpaid debate club. They have no teeth, so who cares what they find. I suggest they start their search in the bayous of Louisiana, they'll have fun there.:up:

August 05-23-08 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Platapus
Quote:
Originally Posted by August

Are you under any illusions that we care?
We care about his opinions precisely as we do about yours.

This is simply a forum for people to post their opinions and for other people to post their opinions.

Opinions are like farts

Every ******* has em
They all stink
In polite society, it is often better to keep em to yourself :rotfl:
Some opinions are stinkier than others Platapus. That does not mean they all have merit.

Letum 05-23-08 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nikimcbee
So,if the UN finds racism here, what are they going to do about it?:rotfl:

Put smurfs here to monitor us?:rotfl:

The UN is nothing more than an overpaid debate club. They have no teeth, so who cares what they find. I suggest they start their search in the bayous of Louisiana, they'll have fun there.:up:
It is this kind of "to hell with what other nations think about us" attituide that has given
the US a very poor reputation for good deplomacy.

nikimcbee 05-23-08 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikimcbee
So,if the UN finds racism here, what are they going to do about it?:rotfl:

Put smurfs here to monitor us?:rotfl:

The UN is nothing more than an overpaid debate club. They have no teeth, so who cares what they find. I suggest they start their search in the bayous of Louisiana, they'll have fun there.:up:
It is this kind of "to hell with what other nations think about us" attituide that has given
the US a very poor reputation for good deplomacy.
At this point, I wouldn't argue with that. But what is their goal? They'll do their study, find racism, then what? They'll issue their report: We found racism in the US. Then, they'll go study something else. At the most, it will give the true believers in the UN something to talk about at lunch.

As someone from the UK, you should know how much someone from the US likes to be pushed around by a foreign power. (don't take this personally, no malice intended) But if you don't, see Lexington Green 1775:up: .

Letum 05-23-08 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nikimcbee
Quote:
Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikimcbee
So,if the UN finds racism here, what are they going to do about it?:rotfl:

Put smurfs here to monitor us?:rotfl:

The UN is nothing more than an overpaid debate club. They have no teeth, so who cares what they find. I suggest they start their search in the bayous of Louisiana, they'll have fun there.:up:
It is this kind of "to hell with what other nations think about us" attituide that has given
the US a very poor reputation for good deplomacy.
At this point, I wouldn't argue with that. But what is their goal? They'll do their study, find racism, then what? They'll issue their report: We found racism in the US. Then, they'll go study something else. At the most, it will give the true believers in the UN something to talk about at lunch.

As someone from the UK, you should know how much someone from the US likes to be pushed around by a foreign power. (don't take this personally, no malice intended) But if you don't, see Lexington Green 1775:up: .
Take a look at the UN report in to raceism in Japan. (2005(?))
There where almost no equality laws in Japan at all and plenty of buisnesses had
"No Forigners" signs out side. Many of these things are still happening and it is still
hard for non-Japanease in Japan, but the UN report was an embaresment for Japan
internationaly, but less so nationaly. Shortly after the report the government
reacted by trying to pass an anti-racism law that failed in parlament sevral years
before. Again, it failed to pass, but a handful of smaller measures did.

Certinaly one UN report is not going to change something as culturaly deep as racism
overnight. No one is claiming that, but it does provide another voice asking for
change.

Fixes are difficult, slow and take more than one factor. If the UN sat by and did
nothing; there would be a crime!

nikimcbee 05-23-08 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikimcbee
Quote:
Originally Posted by Letum
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikimcbee
So,if the UN finds racism here, what are they going to do about it?:rotfl:

Put smurfs here to monitor us?:rotfl:

The UN is nothing more than an overpaid debate club. They have no teeth, so who cares what they find. I suggest they start their search in the bayous of Louisiana, they'll have fun there.:up:
It is this kind of "to hell with what other nations think about us" attituide that has given
the US a very poor reputation for good deplomacy.
At this point, I wouldn't argue with that. But what is their goal? They'll do their study, find racism, then what? They'll issue their report: We found racism in the US. Then, they'll go study something else. At the most, it will give the true believers in the UN something to talk about at lunch.

As someone from the UK, you should know how much someone from the US likes to be pushed around by a foreign power. (don't take this personally, no malice intended) But if you don't, see Lexington Green 1775:up: .
Take a look at the UN report in to raceism in Japan. (2005(?))
There where almost no equality laws in Japan at all and plenty of buisnesses had
"No Forigners" signs out side. Many of these things are still happening and it is still
hard for non-Japanease in Japan, but the UN report was an embaresment for Japan
internationaly, but less so nationaly. Shortly after the report the government
reacted by trying to pass an anti-racism law that failed in parlament sevral years
before. Again, it failed to pass, but a handful of smaller measures did.

Certinaly one UN report is not going to change something as culturaly deep as racism
overnight. No one is claiming that, but it does provide another voice asking for
change.

Fixes are difficult, slow and take more than one factor. If the UN sat by and did
nothing; there would be a crime!
You mean like the action they took in darfur?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darfur/

Cohaagen 05-23-08 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by August
Are you under any illusions that we care?
Not really - political bullying, ignorance of the world at large and unilateral action have become the defining characteristics of American behaviour abroad since the end of WWII.

Just like the US Navy "didn't care" to clear up the 6000 tonnes of toxic waste they dumped at the bottom of the loch outside my house during their 30-year tenure. Pretty poor behaviour after we graciously allowed them to use it, turning our obscure backwater into the most heavily-targeted nuclear bullseye in the world. They even managed to squirm out of footing the £5,000,000UKP bill for the MoD contractors who eventually did clear up their garbage.

August 05-23-08 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
Quote:
Originally Posted by August
Are you under any illusions that we care?
Not really - political bullying, ignorance of the world at large and unilateral action have become the defining characteristics of American behaviour abroad since the end of WWII.

Just like the US Navy "didn't care" to clear up the 6000 tonnes of toxic waste they dumped at the bottom of the loch outside my house during their 30-year tenure. Pretty poor behaviour after we graciously allowed them to use it, turning our obscure backwater into the most heavily-targeted nuclear bullseye in the world. They even managed to squirm out of footing the £5,000,000UKP bill for the MoD contractors who eventually did clear up their garbage.
Oh well, you still owe us for all that tea you allowed to be dumped into Boston harbor. Don't think we've forgotten that...

TDK1044 05-23-08 08:53 AM
The UN will spend millions of Dollars and a considerable amount of time producing a huge report stating that racism exists in the USA.

No sh*t, Sherlock! Next case!

Tchocky 05-23-08 08:56 AM
I'm still bitter about Pangaea separating.

Therefore all of you are wrong.

STEED 05-23-08 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TDK1044
The UN will spend millions of Dollars and a considerable amount of time producing a huge report stating that racism exists in the USA.

No sh*t, Sherlock! Next case!
And America will stick to fingers up to the UN and say, "Screw you ass whore." ;)

Case closed. :smug:

August 05-23-08 11:27 AM
Here in the US we don't do the two finger salute thing. Just one is enough for us colonists...:p

STEED 05-23-08 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by August
Here in the US we don't do the two finger salute thing. Just one is enough for us colonists...:p
OK, just the one. :rotfl:

But if you need two I'm your man. :D


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