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Tchocky 10-16-07 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
My whole point is that there is absolutely no consensus from scientists that man is creating an irreversible climate disaster.

And yet, most of the evidence you have posted to back this statement up has been dubious at best. There are indeed disagreeing voices, but it's politically-directed crap like this that clouds our vision.
Example - There is no oil money behind the book, it's all natural gas. :roll: Link
But there's plenty of oil money behind the two individuals, check out the Science & Environmental Policy Project, and the Hudson Institute.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...pable-hot-air/

Here, a climate scientist listens to Avery & Singers arguments.

Gosh it is fun looking at this total lack of consensus.

The Avon Lady 10-16-07 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Example - There is no oil money behind the book, it's all natural gas. :roll: Link.

Using your rationale, NASA's James Hansen is a farce. Thank you, George Soros. There he is again.

Tchocky 10-16-07 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
Using your rationale, NASA's James Hansen is a farce. Thank you, George Soros. There he is again.

According to Hansen himself - The bottom line is: I did not receive one thin dime from George Soros. Perhaps GAP did, but I would be surprised if they got $720,000.

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/distro_Lawlessness_070927.pdf

From wiki -
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Hansen’s claims of censorship by NASA attracted the attention not only of the United States Congress and various media outlets, but also of several legal defense organizations. The 2006 George Soros Foundations Network Report detailed the work of the Open Society Institute (OSI) in conducting a “campaign on Hansen's behalf” run by “the Government Accountability Project (GAP), a whistleblower protection organization and OSI grantee.” The report indicated this campaign had “resulted in a decision by NASA to revisit its media policy .” The report further stated this campaign was prompted by the experience of Hansen who “protested attempts to silence him after officials at NASA ordered him to refer press inquiries to the public affairs office and required the presence of a public affairs representative at any interview.”. Hansen addressed this specific issue publicly and in writing, saying he did “accept pro bono legal advice for a while” from GAP but did not receive any direct funds.
Notice the timing, the money comes into the picture after Hansen goes public. A dissimiliar case to fossilfuel-funded books & programs.

The Avon Lady 10-16-07 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Notice the timing, the money comes into the picture after Hansen goes public. A dissimiliar case to fossilfuel-funded books & programs.

Yes. Soros has to spot his pigeons first. Same ingedients. Same food on the platter.

bradclark1 10-16-07 08:11 AM

Opposite scientific theories can be swapped from here to doomsday(pun intended). I take it as this then I'm done with the subject. Is ice at the Arctic and Greenland melting accelerated? Yes it is. Has breathing illness's and diseases increased in the last one hundred years? Dramatically so. Is earth warming naturally? Yes it is. Is pollution accelerating the process? Yes it is. Is the U.S. a major polluter? Yes it's the third highest in the world. That all I need to know to know humanity needs to address pollution. I don't need a bunch of charts from the middle ages to tell me this.

Skybird 10-16-07 08:52 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...511722,00.html

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The awarding of the Nobel Peace Price to former Vice President Al Gore could have a noticeable impact on the presidential election campaign in the United States. Suddenly the candidates are discovering their green sides -- even the Republicans.

If envy is the highest form of human recognition, Al Gore can't complain. The response from the White House to the Norwegian Nobel Committee's decision to award Gore the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was understated, to say the least. There was no comment from US President George W. Bush, nor from his press secretary, Dana Perino. The White House eventually sent its deputy press secretary, Tony Fratto, to face the cameras. "Obviously, it's an important recognition," said Fratto. Referring to the president, he added, "Of course he's happy for Vice President Gore."

Such terse responses will likely do the conservatives more harm than good. Indeed, the political aftershocks of the award will be considerable. The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to an avowed anti-Bush activist only weeks before the official start of an election year could produce a tectonic shift in the already unstable US political landscape.

nikimcbee 10-16-07 09:07 AM

So...When will he anounce? or will he go the VP route again?

The Avon Lady 10-16-07 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Example - There is no oil money behind the book, it's all natural gas. :roll: Link.

Using your rationale, NASA's James Hansen is a farce. Thank you, George Soros. There he is again.

One begins to wonder whether NASA itself thinks it's funded by Soros. :damn:

SUBMAN1 10-16-07 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
The NOAA don't agree with this interpretation, SUBMAN.

Mine is NOAA data, so they do agree with my interpretation.

-S

Sea Demon 10-25-07 03:50 PM

Here's more people who think Gore is a fraud. Like it isn't obvious already.....:lol:

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/mo...oreerrors.html

More errors and inaccuracies in Gore's fallacious movie.

nikimcbee 10-25-07 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Here's more people who think Gore is a fraud. Like it isn't obvious already.....:lol:



More errors and inaccuracies in Gore's fallacious movie.

Great find!:rock:

Sea Demon 10-25-07 09:30 PM

Here's more uncertainty. Yes Mr. Gore, not everyone buys your nonsense......... :D

http://environment.newscientist.com/...edictions.html

LtCmdrRat 10-25-07 10:19 PM

Gents I still do not understand why USA does not build anymore new nuclear energy plants?
my answer is OIL companies(read Bush &Co) are not interested.
Democrat Al Gore as a Nobel Prize winner....
Same as G.W. Bush with his WMD in Iraq ... liberator


May be better to be subjects of the E-II Crown than to have such honorable gents ( and probably lady ) as head of state?( God, save us from Hillary!).
Bill of rights started to look like a mirage in the Sahara's sands.

Good sides to be subjects of the crown:
- better school education
- 40 and less hours to work
- bigger vacations
- you have time to read, to travel, for your loveones (including your kids and even wife)
- nobility ( knighthood)* and i am very serious about this.
- better health care
- professional police, they will not shoot you because they just had feeling that you are armed
- less shooting practice in schools
- freedom of speech including jokes about everything in airports.
- less sexual harasment cases
- no Darwin debates

Bad side:
- all ot the above &
- bigger taxes

bradclark1 10-26-07 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Here's more people who think Gore is a fraud. Like it isn't obvious already.....:lol:



More errors and inaccuracies in Gore's fallacious movie.

Whats obvious is that you jump on anything at all that paints the picture you want but are too lazy to check if there is any accuracy in it. I picked one at random to research and stopped there because it's so obvious just reading his explanation that he's bs.
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Gore says coral reefs are “bleaching” because of “global warming.” They are not. There was some bleaching in 1998, but this was caused by the exceptional El Nino Southern Oscillation that year. Two similarly severe El Ninos over the past 250 years also caused extensive bleaching. “Global warming” was nothing to do with it.
Ms. Kreider says, “The IPCC and other scientific bodies have long identified increases in ocean temperatures with the bleaching of coral reefs.” So they have: but the bleaching in 1998 occurred as a result not of “global warming” but of a rare, though not unique, severe El Nino Southern Oscillation.
First this idiot is talking about only 1998. WhooptyDo. If you want to know go to a marine biology site.
http://www.marinebiology.org/coralbleaching.htm

bradclark1 10-26-07 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LtCmdrRat
Gents I still do not understand why USA does not build anymore new nuclear energy plants?

There are a number of nuclear plants being planned and built. The problem before was the publics reaction to Three Mile Island and enforced by Chernobyl. Safety has made a lot of strides since then.

Tchocky 10-26-07 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Tchocky
The NOAA don't agree with this interpretation, SUBMAN.

Mine is NOAA data, so they do agree with my interpretation.

-S

Link?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=57

Sea Demon 10-26-07 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1
Whats obvious is that you jump on anything at all that paints the picture you want but are too lazy to check if there is any accuracy in it. I picked one at random to research and stopped there because it's so obvious just reading his explanation that he's bs.
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Actually, I wish to show that there are other opinions out there that object to the :global warming hyteria" generated by people of Gore's ilk. I wish to show that there are many voices who object. This link shows that Gore's film , and "facts" within are debatable. It also shows that Gore doesn't kknow what the he## he's talking about. He's just another hack politician pushing some "global tragedy" snake oil. And there's many voices who object to his freak show.

Tchocky 10-26-07 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
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Originally Posted by bradclark1
Whats obvious is that you jump on anything at all that paints the picture you want but are too lazy to check if there is any accuracy in it. I picked one at random to research and stopped there because it's so obvious just reading his explanation that he's bs.
[

Actually, I wish to show that there are other opinions out there that object to the :global warming hyteria" generated by people of Gore's ilk. I wish to show that there are many voices who object. This link shows that Gore's film , and "facts" within are debatable. It also shows that Gore doesn't kknow what the he## he's talking about. He's just another hack politician pushing some "global tragedy" snake oil. And there's many voices who object to his freak show.

You've posted stuff from this guy before, Sea Demon. Hang on till I find the thread.
It is not a dissenting voice if it's being paid to be dissenting. Simple as. The articles you have posted do not show what you want them to show.
From Monckton at the SPPI. A man with no training in climate science, who runs an oil-and-gas funded think-tank. I'm sure this will be reasoned and non-biased.


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Originally Posted by Tchocky
This was written by Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, who is a bit of a joke to climate scientists. his scientific training is in classics. But he has another qualification. Journalism. Reporting the Trojan war, perfect. Scientific papers on climate change, 100% useless. His scientific articles have been ridiculed, here for example.

Listen to this from the head of the SPPI
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Robert Ferguson, SPPI president, said: “In these excellent papers, Christopher Monckton presents his powerful case ad rem, not ad hominem – he addresses the facts, but does not attack the person. He is refreshingly different from other public figures who are apparently incapable of debating the science. Al Gore is still dodging Lord Monckton’s open invitation to public debate, preferring to cower behind the Maginot Line of a ‘consensus’ which, if it ever existed, is now in tatters.
Does he sound rational and fair-minded? Seriously?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=634875&postcount=167

just quoting myself, will look at the paper later, not holding out much hope, mind.

Sea Demon 10-26-07 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
You've posted stuff from this guy before, Sea Demon. Hang on till I find the thread.
From Monckton at the SPPI. A man with no training in climate science, who runs an oil-and-gas funded think-tank. I'm sure this will be reasoned and non-biased.
It is not a dissenting voice if it's being paid to be dissenting. Simple as.

No need Tchocky. Your article will be biased nonsense in favor of creating mass hysteria for the "global warming" tragedy people. For their own purposes or desires. There are many out there who disagree with the "whole world's coming to an end" nonsense that's spewing from the Internet these days. Did you know that most "published" scientists disagree with Gore and the "global warming" hucksters??? I posted a link in another thread. I'll try to find it. There are many voices in complete disagreement.

mookiemookie 10-26-07 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Did you know that most "published" scientists disagree with Gore and the "global warming" hucksters??? I posted a link in another thread. I'll try to find it. There are many voices in complete disagreement.

Pardon the copypasta, but you're off base here.

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A question which frequently arises in conveying the scientific opinion to a broader audience is to what extent that opinion rises to the level of a consensus. Several scientific organizations have explicitly used the term "consensus" in their statements:
  • American Association for the Advancement of Science: "The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific consensus represented by, for example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the Joint National Academies' statement."[24]
  • US National Academy of Science: "In the judgment of most climate scientists, Earth’s warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. ... On climate change, [the National Academies’ reports] have assessed consensus findings on the science..."[25]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2005: "We recognise the international scientific consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)."[26]
  • Joint Science Academies' statement, 2001: "The work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) represents the consensus of the international scientific community on climate change science. We recognise IPCC as the world’s most reliable source of information on climate change and its causes, and we endorse its method of achieving this consensus."[27]
  • American Meteorological Society: "The nature of science is such that there is rarely total agreement among scientists. Individual scientific statements and papers—the validity of some of which has yet to be assessed adequately—can be exploited in the policy debate and can leave the impression that the scientific community is sharply divided on issues where there is, in reality, a strong scientific consensus. ...IPCC assessment reports are prepared at approximately five-year intervals by a large international group of experts who represent the broad range of expertise and perspectives relevant to the issues. The reports strive to reflect a consensus evaluation of the results of the full body of peer-reviewed research. ... They provide an analysis of what is known and not known, the degree of consensus, and some indication of the degree of confidence that can be placed on the various statements and conclusions."[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change


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