Is that sort of language really warranted :nope:

I play both, but obviously more of 3 at the moment.

If the progress made with 3 can be achieved with 4 then we are all looking at two awesome pieces of kit :rock:

As I see it at this minute, it is early days for 4 and with all due respect to those that are currently working on 4 the most successful techno-magers to date are still resident in the GWX Team.

Perhaps in a year or two I will be proven wrong....but at this precise moment in time the bar has been set by those in the Atlantic. :know:

Like I said....

Sometimes people become big fish in a little pond and it gets to their head. GWX is a nice mod, and I respect what they've done. But it's still just some file tweaks.

I've had my name in PC gamer magazine for my mod work. You don't see me acting like I'm some corporation that now sets the standards and rules for all of Subsim members.

Lighten up, it's just game modding for crying out loud. And outside of this community, you're still no one.

Like I said, Kudos to them for their file tweaks and skins. I use them myself. But some of the behaviors I've seen, the attacks on other forum members, the condescension towards other modders; it's a bit over the top and shameful.

There's a ton of other great mod work being done on SH3, outside of GWX. Venatore's stuff, Racerboys SH4 effects and other things. I don't see them trying to be the ruling authority of modding at Subsim.com.

GWX is okay, but they need to get over themselves just a tad in my opinion.
I realize these are fighting words, and you can flame away at me. But that is just how I honestly see things occurring lately.


Sorry. Not really looking for any conflicts, but I needed to get that off my chest after some things I've seen recently.

Wow.

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Leo and Kriller...carry on with your head held high.

Now, what did I say on post #57 regarding your post (#56). :up: The same applies here.

@Leo and Kriller

Salute :up:

@MONOLITH
I gave an honest opinion in a respective/respectful tone....it's a shame you chose not to quote me in my entirity :nope:

I thought Monoth's post was spot on. Its what ive been thinking for months (years?), but couldnt quite find the words to say. And even if i had, if *I* said them, the entire GWX "crew" with KL leading the charge would be over here with pitchforks in hand. Kinda like how you two are. Only KL is much more direct, and blunt. (my posting style as well ironically) Personally, i am ashamed i was ever on the GWX crew (however short my stay was), and equally ashamed of some of the things i did to promote/further that modpack. yes i am very much guillty of cloak and dagger shennnaigans over there, and when it comes to GWX, i am a little bit more educated then the masses here who pile praise upon praise on the mod, thinking its "all that and a bag of chips". I know better.

In a way i should thank you guys, youve reinforced what ive thought, and well, ill be able to move on to other projects with a clear concience. Ive been looking at moving moving on to modding for oblivion because the scripting there is open and very powerful, you can do some amazing things with that editor. Since i have a small background in programming C++, i might stand to make some good stuff there. An idea for a project already formed, and honestly i want to do that instead of this crap.

Well maybe we see each other on the Oblivion forums then! I'm a fan on Oblivion. :up:

Oh BTW, I never ever invited Jimbuna here, nor have I ever invited anyone to back me up on anything. So, let's see the post #57 again, shall we. :up:

The only way an accurate response based on a quotation can be deemed "spot on" should be if that quote is judged and quoted in it's entirity.

I do not have a pitch fork about my person and if you care to look at my initial post I was simply enquiring if the subjective language you had resorted to was "warranted"

As for your feelings of shame that you were ever associated with your peers on GWX, how can I possibly comment ? That is clearly your perception. If that perception is reciprocated by those who were also on GWX at the time, only they would be in a position to say.

I have the ability to be as you say "direct and blunt" in the way I communicate with people both in and out of work. I do not feel or accept that any of my previous posts on this particular thread can be justifiably described as such.

If your as educated as you state, why not demonstrate that level of educational attainment by refraining from labelling "the masses here" as less well educated people to yourself ? How arrogant and presumptious of you sir. :nope:
Furthermore, why do you feel the need to resort to subjective language in the first place ?

To the best of my knowledge I have never attacked you on the SS forum. In fact, IIRC I have actually supported some of your posts/views in the past.

I have absolutely no problem with being held accountable and facing the consequences for anything I do in life. But I do have a problem when somebody feels they have the right to attach any level of perceptual distortion or understanding to something I have written to suit their own agenda.

None of us are as clever as all of us.

Jimbuna, I apologize that you feel I wronged you for not quoting your post in it's entirety.

So, respectfully, here is your entire quote below.

Now we can view the entire thing, and see that it still basically says "No one over here yet is as good as the GWX people."


1. That's fairly disrespectful to a lot of talented modders over here.

2. It's purely opinion. We are entitled to our opinions of course, but seeing as how that one in particular is more hurtful to the community than constructive, perhaps it would have been best kept to yourself.


The real sad thing here, is how certain people have chosen to divide up Subsim in this way. Which brings us right back to my original comment.

No clandestine behaviour, no secret squirrel club and no "in house" cryptic messages (always ending with ;))? And no constant digs at anyone that doesn't agree with their approach?

How novel. :up: :rock:

Hehe, it may seem to *you* that they win, but in doing so they just bring their credibility amongst their peers down that little bit more...just re-read this thread. ;)

:o OMFG! How arrogant! I would never have expected this from *you* jimbuna, someone I've always held in high regard. :nope: Single handedly you've drawn the "dividing line" between SH3 and SH4... Well done.

And your comment is doubly insulting in that it dismisses the great SH3 work of Racerboy, Denis, Anvart, Diving Duck and other "non-GWX team" modders (not forgetting also those who have left the team), which in many instances is on par, if not superior to, the GWX product. Just ask Lehmann himself about that one. ;)

You know, since leaving the GWX team and seeing it from "the other side" I agree with you. You get a different perspective "outside looking in". Don't get me wrong, there's some *great* guys in the team that would prefer just to get on and weave their magic (which they do very well, considering they've had over two years to learn), but then there is the "public face"...

@MONOLITH: Well said. :up: :rock:

@SH4 modders: Don't let the elitist attitude of some of the GWX team get you down - your stuff rocks. :up: :rock:

Dosn't bother me in the least and I am sure others will say the same
 

I always strive to make the game and mod's better take it or leave it at least we are trying. And if other's in the comunity who have had years of practice with one game vs can achieve some new and wonderfull stuff that is awsome. But a lot of us here are new at the modding world especialy for this new vs of the SH series.

I think it has come a log way in a short time with what we have done with little experience and without proven skill's. Sure it is easy to bring here what you have done there for years and accomplish a lot in short order. But how long did it take them to be at the point they are now in abilities?!

I made a mistake by going over there and said great work on the new plane's. It got people to notice it on both side's of the track and now there are problem's here that shouldn't be here and havn't until now!

We are trying to stay a comunity that works together on the SHIV game both modder's and users alike. If you want to leave the SHIII part of the forums and come here and play nice your welcome but if you come here to start problems go back and keep them there where they belong.

Yes - we all know about that episode, so could you please give those 'little hints' a rest mate..... There's no need. :doh:

Thanks.

Oh god. How can ppl be so fecking hypocrite?! Without GWX, and it's achievements there would not be Trigger Maru or any of the mods for SHIV as we see them now, AND THAT IS A FACT. Anyone who says otherwise is just boasting his ego in front of a mirror with his cock on his hand.

Think people! SH3 & Sh4 is the same fecking thing! "Ohhh yeah, we have great modders for SH4" Hmm... They would be modding sounds or sub skins without the SH3.

^^^^^

THIS everyone, is part of the public face of GWX. And we haven't heard from the others yet either.

Do you really want this attitude over here?

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Yah know, I never really cared for ferrets. I find it hard to believe that no others would have figured it out eventually. If you don't believe that then you have a lot to learn. Last time I checked, SH3 was not the first game to be modded nor will it be the last. Furthermore, grow up with your comments.

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