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XLjedi

08-30-07 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Regarding the "realism percentage" versus map contacts enabled. You and I have already discussed the matter. My decision remains (and will remain) unchanged, especially in light of the new presentation of map contact data introduced by GWX version 1.04.

I'm usually careful to say difficulty and not realism... "Realism %" is a misnomer anyway. I thought going half-way might be a good comprimise. I'll just continue to specify 100%-no-map-updates then. I s'pose 99% is out too, huh?

Ah well... I tried...

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Having NO information plotted onto the F5 map is NOT the way to go for "100% realism" as I see it. You have a crew and a radio. Players do not (typically) have a big plotting and navigation table to plot radio reports onto.

:D :ping: ;)

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Regarding your comment about the periscope being raised and subsequent contacts reappearing and showing their heading etc. I don't see any problem with that. Getting that info by periscope is easier than doing so with binocs from the bridge due to optical assists present in RL periscopes. In SH3, the periscope however also represents a "one size fits all" visual sensor. If you leave the periscope unattended it begins to sweep just as your watchmen do. (IE: Another crewman mans the scope.) We've done what we could. However, the periscope does take longer than a bridge crew to aquire and gather target data. It is ONE sensor... whereas your watch crew represents one visual sensor per crewman.

Well all the contacts just get instantly plotted in their precise locations. I wasn't necessarily zeroing in on just the parascope. The watch crew too, right... it's a very efficient and accurate crew. But like I've said, and you've sorta mentioned, you've done what you could. I don't think there's anything you could do to add some error to the plotted positions. Just the way it's designed.

You guys have done a good job. :up:

headcase

08-31-07 12:03 AM

You guys rock.:rock: I don't make enough money to buy all the booze ya'll deserve for this level of excellence. And I say that knowing it's gonna kick my ___:damn:

WilhelmSchulz.

08-31-07 12:50 AM

Your ditching the tails! Why? I know I know "it improves realisem" but it will become impossible to intercept convoy as you usaly only get 1 contact and you cant get genral direction!

XLjedi

08-31-07 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Your ditching the tails! Why? I know I know "it improves realisem" but it will become impossible to intercept convoy as you usaly only get 1 contact and you cant get genral direction!

If you click on the contact it tells you the general direction. It'll say south, or southeast... that should be good enough for an intercept. :yep:

Kpt. Lehmann

08-31-07 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Your ditching the tails! Why? I know I know "it improves realisem" but it will become impossible to intercept convoy as you usaly only get 1 contact and you cant get genral direction!

For exactly that reason... to promote better "realism" in the simulation... not convenience.

Yet again Wilhelmshculz... you failed to read the post closely and fired off your response half-cooked... again.

When you click on convoy or close contacts... it does indeed give you the general heading... not the exact heading. If it doesn't suit your play style... don't use GWX. Simple really.

danlisa

08-31-07 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Your ditching the tails! Why? I know I know "it improves realisem" but it will become impossible to intercept convoy as you usaly only get 1 contact and you cant get genral direction!

Oh, LOL. Deja Vu!

Copy & Paste......

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GWX has, since it's inception, strived for realism, immersion and accuracy. I believe that every member of the Dev Team has pushed hard for a simulation that excells in those catagories and we have nearly arrived.

However, the one area, nearly untouched by the Devs has been the Nav Map information & how it is displayed (apart from grey contacts) and I feel it needs attention. It's the one thing that has never been given the GWX magic.

On the subject of 'No Tail' contacts. Yes this makes it harder but it also makes you plan & plot your course and the course of your prey. I had a great immersive experience last night where I was shadowing a contact for over 2 days and you could actually accurately plot the course changes made by my prey. Yes! I have never ever had to do this before.

I must state that I'm in no way a hardcore player. I usually play with Map Contacts on & with no manual targeting. I do feel that this addition greatly adds to the game and I can certainly see why some may stuggle but in my mind this mod screams to be in GWX for the reasons & values I have stated above.

Simply!

Don't like it?
Don't use it/Fix it yourself!

Time to put up or shut up.

You know who I'm speaking to.:shifty:

AtlantikEel

08-31-07 05:04 AM

WOW! :up:

As if all the other stuff thrown at our boats isn't enough!
Now we have an aerial "Silent Service" to worry about!

Fairly easy to avoid and shoot down .... if you see or hear them coming.
The thought of these things drifting, engines off, along the eastern seaboard at night ..... looking for surfaced u-boats .....

Kpt. Lehmann

08-31-07 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantikEel

Well, if the airship so much as spots you... it has done its job... as in-game it vectors any local ASW forces (surface or aerial units) to your location... just as it happens when other units spot you... they radio for backup.

Kpt. Lehmann

08-31-07 05:27 AM

Further developmental tidbit...

Based on the real life recordings found on this post: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...37&postcount=4

We are reverting the external submarine propellor and submarine hydrophone signature to a sound file we first used in the old GW 1.1a mod... as it turns out to be more historically accurate. The old GW 1.1a sub propellor sounds were initially removed as a result of someone complaining that they sounded like a squeaky fan-belt LOL... Well, that's apparently what the real things sounded like... So we are reverting to the relevant Das Boot sounds for the sake of accuracy.

We aren't driving nuke boats... We are driving diesel subs aye?

Jimbuna

08-31-07 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

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@Jim, I meant a burning smoke and fire like when you hit an airplane. Is that incorporated too? Or was there some sort of limitation on that?

You'll have to wait and see......Kpt. released a little more eye candy, but it was not intended to stimulate a detailed question and answer debate. Sorry matey ;)

Guess I was wrong :damn:

:lol:

mkubani

08-31-07 06:54 AM

BTW, the K-ship was filled with helium, right? :) = no fire. :know:

Captain Nemo

08-31-07 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by headcase

You guys rock.:rock: I don't make enough money to buy all the booze ya'll deserve for this level of excellence. And I say that knowing it's gonna kick my ___:damn:

I'll second that.:up:

Nemo

Syxx_Killer

08-31-07 08:28 AM

With the tails gone now, would it be possible to put the contline.tga (I think that is what it is) from a stock version back in to get red warship hydrophone lines back? I think if you did that with grayed out contacts, the tail would go back to the original colors, too. I'm just curious because I may like to do that to my own installation. I don't have the game reinstalled yet so I can't check which TGA it is.

Pants

08-31-07 08:49 AM

Will there be an option to choose how " realistic" you want the game to play like with the mods folder in 1.03
Because not everyone wants to play superdooper realistic;)
And will it be " user friendly " regarding tweaking it to your own personal taste?

Mikey_Wolf

08-31-07 09:29 AM

I should imagine it would be quite simple to replace the tails, if its just the one TGA file, sounds like this update is cruising along pretty nicely. And whats this some TGW making its way into GWX? Tell ya, you can't beat the classics.:up:

melnibonian

08-31-07 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants

Once 1.04 is out I'm sure there will be ways so that each individual alters the realism levels. Until then it's "Radio Silence" and loads of work in the Beta to avoid mistakes and more complaints ;)

Dimitrius07

08-31-07 10:33 AM

Well here is my opinion on the new contact system that going to be included in GWX 1.4.

As a matter of true i liked it a lot, yes i agreed that the tactic of interseption of convoy or single ship need to be changed (well at least in my case).

But thise is chalenging, aspecially when you play 100% realism. The matter of " If my solution was right, and if my torpidoes going to find they mark" will become more and more important in the next update, and i can`t wait :up: :rock:

Jimbuna

08-31-07 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mkubani

BTW, the K-ship was filled with helium, right? :) = no fire. :know:

Helium is correct :yep:

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The sausage-shaped envelope of a K-ship was made of rubberized canvas painted silver to reduce solar heating. The ship got most of its buoyancy from the helium gas it contained, with the shape of the bag providing some extra lift. Inside the envelope were two ballonets, fore and aft, filled with air.

danlisa

08-31-07 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikey_Wolf

I should imagine it would be quite simple to replace the tails, if its just the one TGA file.

Got it in one.:up:

Ubåtskapten

08-31-07 01:11 PM

That airship looks really cool!:up:

Too bad a reworked version of the LRT mod will not be included, as I believe the roughly 3 minutes repair times in GWX/stock is way to short (and yes 32 hours on the contrary, is too much). But I can understand that it would cause problems regarding all the files it alters, and with the original LRT-modder not around any more.

However, I have no doubt that you guys will take the GWXperience many steps further (with or without LRT) with your upcoming release!! :D:sunny:

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