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Stefos 05-18-17 11:05 PM

Regarding SH 4 install
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2485010)
Welcome to SubSim Stefos! The 'modern' Windows OS is very 'jealous' of certain areas of its hard drive. Do NOT install SH4 into a 'protected' area such as Program Files (x86), which is the default location in the game's installer. You can refer to CapnScurvy's Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Install, where he discusses his Windows 10 install and update, Silent Hunter 4 install, and the use of LAA. You could probably drop down a couple of clicks in the page scroll gutter, down below where his picture of the Windows Settings page is, and start reading from about where he says:

"Two things need to be stressed before installing the game.

First, allow Windows 10 to update Automatically to get the latest updated files.

Secondly, keep your Silent Hunter game install out of either the "Program Files", "Program Files (x86)", or the "ProgramData" folders. The reason is to avoid the handicap Windows uses on us when a program/game is defaulted to install in one of these folders. Windows won't let you change the properties of the program/games loaded in these folders because it thinks you'll screw something up. Or, it tries to prevent computer corruption if these programs are changed in some way. If your planning to add content to your game (like a modification through JSGME, or JSGME itself, or a memory helper like LAA).....you're changing your original game files. Believe me, this old game didn't expect to be treated like a "problem waiting to happen" by the OS......so don't install it in these folders. You'll not need to change the game files to "Run as Administrator", or any other setting, if you just install it as follows. Newer programs/games that are designed to work with Windows 10 are fine to be installed in these folders.....but not older ones.
"

Once you have the game installed elsewhere, you should be able to run it OK, but you definitely need to get the install to at least the v1.4 update. There are a few (just a few) updates available for v1.4, and most mods out there are for v1.5 Uboats. But, there is still at least one regular member on here who still uses his v1.4 regularly...


Thank you for your kindness gentlemen......I will retry installing this game.

What a pain in the neck on Win 10.............oh man.

propbeanie 05-19-17 07:32 AM

It's actually a bit of a bother in anything that's Windows XP SP-3 or higher. It's just that it gets a bit worse with each Windows interation... Unfortunately, my grandmother never warned me about this when I was a lad... :03:

hachiman 06-12-17 04:15 PM

Hi Guys.

Just installed SH4 Vanilla form my old DVD in W10. Also have patched to 1.4. There is no exe on my desktop, but the old Gameshadow Icon. I have went into the folder where SH4 is installed and tried to run the exe from there and nothing happens. Not even a hint it's trying to start.

Any help appreciated.

propbeanie 06-12-17 10:10 PM

Which "exe", the GU.exe or the SH4.exe? There is also an SH4.ico file, so if you don't have Windows displaying file extensions, and you are "sorting" on alphanumeric, ascending, it will be the first SH4 in the list...

hachiman 06-13-17 06:11 AM

Tried them all.

I've now bought it from Ubisoft Store vis digital download and nothing happens when I click on any of the exes inside the folder or the shortcut on Desktop. I can't even seem to change compatibility via this way s the options missing unlike the DVD version.

propbeanie 06-13-17 06:27 AM

Let's do this then, and point you at CapnScurvy's Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Install thread. He had just gotten himself a new computer and installed Windows 10 on it, and Silent Hunter 4. You might be putting the game into "Program Files (x86)", which can cause issues, since Windows "protects" that folder and doesn't allow certain changes to take place. The Capn also discusses the use of LAA, which allows the SH4.exe to use more than 2 gig of RAM. Try reading through that and following his advice there...

Hambone307 06-13-17 03:31 PM

Ok, I have read through this thread and am unsure if we are still asking questions here or if we are going to scurvy's thread. If so, feel free to slap me in irons for this question.

I have successfully installed SH4 and JSGME. I have it running and can load into a game with my mods. The issue though is that after about 10 minutes of real time, my game crashes to desktop. I attempted to play the game about 5 different times after going through the hoops to get it to run and ended up shelving it out of frustration as to avoid damaging a rather pricey gaming computer....

Any ideas as to what may be the issue?

Note: I have not changed my mod load order since I first started playing on my windows 7. (I keep a picture saved showing what worked after ironing out the issues those years ago.)

Edit: I forgot to ask my question. (been a long day)

propbeanie 06-13-17 05:56 PM

Naw, this is a Silent Hunter 4 and Windows 10 thread, and that's what you're dealing with, so leg irons are not needed... only manacles... :salute: :lol:

Now,
1. What is your mod list then... ??
2. Did you run the game OK without mods after first getting it installed?
3. Where did you end up installing the game?
4. Where did you get your copy from? DVD, Steam, or some other download?

hachiman 06-13-17 07:00 PM

I am sorted. Changd compatibility to W7 and disabled display scaling on high DPI settings and it's working. Thanks for your time.

Ed 06-18-17 01:51 PM

SH "Wolves GOLD"
 
Will pass this on for what its worth.

I purchased a Dell 8900 W10, 24RAM, Raedon 480(I think) i7-7700, 256 SSD to replace my 6 yr old Dell 8300 W7(a great machine for me). I tried loading SH Gold and the opening video worked but the first screen and all others came up about half. Top half of monitor was empty. So I could never get down to Options and graphics on the first screen. After much messing around I went into my Raedon graphics card and took off scaling. Now game played with a full screen but picture quality was a bit dull. I also changed display to 1920x1080. Went back to Windows and tried my TW "Atilla" game and it came up fine but with scaling off a bit dull so I put scaling back. Fine picture. Then I loaded SH Gold again. To my surprise it came up full screen and just fine, clear graphics. Im not sure if scaling was involved or it was being able to get to "Options" and changing the display to 1920x1080 but I think that is what did it not the scaling which is back on.

BTW, does anyone know how to get "Carriers at War" up on W10. A quite old game but I don't see any carrier games out there since tat one.

mw775 06-19-17 02:18 AM

SH4 and Windows 10
 
I bought an Alienware computer with Win10 already installed. I tried several of the suggestions throughout these threads with no success so, moving on, does anyone know of a submarine simulation, preferably WWII, that WILL run on Win 10?
Thank you

hauangua 06-19-17 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mw775 (Post 2492694)
I bought an Alienware computer with Win10 already installed. I tried several of the suggestions throughout these threads with no success so, moving on, does anyone know of a submarine simulation, preferably WWII, that WILL run on Win 10?
Thank you

Hi mw775
I have sh3-4-5
And all work good
I have windows 10 64bit
:salute:

Onkel Neal 06-19-17 06:26 AM

hauangua, are your versions of SH3, 4, 5 on the DVD or are they Steam?

hauangua 06-19-17 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2492754)
hauangua, are your versions of SH3, 4, 5 on the DVD or are they Steam?

Hi Neal
SH3 DVD
SH4 Steam
SH5 Gold Edition downladed by ubisoft

cdrsubron7 06-19-17 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mw775 (Post 2492694)
I bought an Alienware computer with Win10 already installed. I tried several of the suggestions throughout these threads with no success so, moving on, does anyone know of a submarine simulation, preferably WWII, that WILL run on Win 10?
Thank you


Welcome to Subsim, mw775. Happy to have you with us.

SH4 and SH5 will run fine on Win 10. I've not played SH3 in quite awhile, but I've seen it commented on that Sh3 will also run on win 10. Don't give up on them quite yet. :D :up:

Hambone307 06-21-17 03:51 PM

Prop, I have the steam version (cringe worthy, I know). My game ran without mods, but I didnt play it for more than a few minutes and then kinda forgot to run it again for a longer period of time. Apparently my mod list has changed, forgot that tidbit. I was running TMO with a few others but have since switched to RFB. The switch was made with a clean install.

RFB2.0 with Patch
RSRD RFB V575
ISP2.8


Edit: If anyone wants to know computer it is as follows:
MSI GS63VR
NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX1060
Intel i7-7700HQ
16gb DDR4

Due to works schedule recently I have been tackling this for a few minutes at a time so I apologize for long response times.

propbeanie 06-21-17 09:50 PM

Real Life is first, all aspects. This is the "relaxation therapy" session - or it's supposed to be, and not a "diagnostic session"... but...

The Steam version is fine, so long as you know what you have, which we really don't, but we'll assume you got the Uboat missions add-on, correct?? - since you were doing mods. None of those mods run on v1.3... ?? Now, the OS, with a newer machine I'll guess Win10, and if so, probably 64-bit??? But even if it's Win7 32-bit, the same basics apply.

First of all, since it's a Steam game, and it updates itself (Steam that is) all the time, you have to make sure that you manage the SH4 install through Steam anymore, so if you have the game installed in Program Files (x86) or any other Windows "protected" folder, you'll have to use your Steam log-in and manage the install to be elsewhere. Some folks will make a "Games" directory in the root and put it there, or just let the "Ubisoft" folder sit in the root of the hard drive. That way, Steam can manage its licenses and Windows can protect you from yourself elsewhere and not in your game folder.

Since you probably have the UBoat Missions addon, you shouldn't have to worry about the "shortcut" you're using to start the game, but check anyway, and make sure that it's pointing at "SH4.exe" and NOT "GU.exe". Also, right-click on the SH4.exe file in the Ubisoft / Wolves of the Pacific folder (or whatever you named it), and choose "Properties" at the bottom of the list. On the first page of that pop-up ("General"), be sure that the "Read only" tick box is empty. Then, you could click on the "Compatibility" tab, and then click on the "Run this program as an administrator" tick box so that there is a check mark in it. If you'd ever see issues with higher resolutions on your display while playing the game, you could try the "Disable display scaling..." tick box. If all else fails later, you could try a "Compatibility Mode" up towards the top, but leave it as a last resort.

Next, refer to CapnScurvy's Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Install for all sorts of guidance on Windows 10 and SH4 and especially LAA (Large Address Aware), which really helps the newer computers run the older games with the not so old or new mods... much smoother games.

Last but not least: your game saves. Do not overwrite saves. Always create a new Save file when you save the game. You can delete old saves from the same menu in the game if it gets too crowded with confusing file names (mine sure does) - and most important of all of that?? Do ~NOT~ load a saved game from another mod. Say you were playing TMO / RSRDC before, and activate RFB (just supposin') and when you start the game, you look through the saved games list and see an interesting one... you load it, or should I say "attempt to load it", and the game crashes. Sometimes they don't crash right away, and you get to play the game for about 30 minutes or so, then you get a contact... looks like a mess of merchants are coming your way, and you only see one blue line for an escort. "Oh boy!" you think, so you go after them. Either as soon as you target a ship, or the torpedoes are on their way, and about to impact your target when BOOM! CTD!!! You've now cross-contaminated the save folder in at least one location, maybe even the whole thing... Again, do NOT mix mods and their saves. That is why someone who really was looking out for dum-dums like me when they created MultiSH4 (they have a brain they use to think with)... maybe not as ubiquitous as JSGME, but probably should be.

Hambone307 06-29-17 11:41 AM

Thank you, I will give these a try. I forgot about running as an admin.... If I remember correctly I had to do that on my windows 8.1 to get it to work right.

Here's hoping it works! :Kaleun_Cheers:

CapnScurvy 07-02-17 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hambone307 (Post 2496063)
Thank you, I will give these a try. I forgot about running as an admin.... If I remember correctly I had to do that on my windows 8.1 to get it to work right.

Here's hoping it works! :Kaleun_Cheers:

Hambone307, is your Operating System Windows 10? Is it 64 bit or 32 bit?

These are important questions because it opens up where we need to go next with your base computer setup......a setup you need to get correct before adding your Steam game to it (which is a special effort all by itself).

If its Windows 10, my next question is....Did you upgrade from an earlier Windows version to Windows 10, or did you use a brand new version of Windows 10 (out of the box sort of speak) on this computer?

The reason I'm asking this question is due to how Windows may be set up on your computer. As I've discovered, an "out of the box" Windows 10 prevents several older, behind the scenes, processes from running as they should. Processes that were critical to having this 10 year old game run as expected. Both DirectX and .NetFramework need to have the correct files/drivers to play the game...which they don't by default with a Windows 10 OS that is not an upgrade from a previous Windows version.

Both DirectX 12 and the latest .NetFramework editions within Windows 10 do not contain the proper drivers for running the game as expected. What's worse, neither have their capabilities to "enable" those older driver versions set properly within Windows 10. You have to go into the OS "Settings" to enable these older drivers once you download them from Microsoft.

I can't speak for an "upgraded" Windows 10 install....it MAY have the correct drivers brought along from the previous versions of Windows?!? I don't know, you need to check for yourself. What's important to know is you need to look to see what's "enabled" on your Windows 10 install, and bring it up to speed for an older game like SH4 to play as intended. That's where "Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Install" will help you figure out what's your setup?

Sorry for the presently goofed up images on this thread now. PhotoBucket has decided to change policy towards "3rd party hosting" and demands me to pay $400.00 for continuing to keep my images on their site. A ransom I'll not pay after using their site for 13 years without breaking their recently changed policy. :timeout:

I'll be fixing it soon.

nick8321 07-04-17 12:30 PM

Ahoy Shippers

I run Win 10 and all of a sudden had the black screen of death problem but managed to fix it by doing the following:

Load the game, right click on the desktop icon, goto properties and select Win7

That seemed to cure it. I hope it helps someone.

Cheers

Shagbat


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