This is something i never understood about soccer. What's up with the fans?

Here in the States Hockey and NFL football fans are every bit as partisan but you never see a fan riot break out at one of their games. NBA basketball had a small player/fan scuffle last year but thats the only one i can think of.

So what's up?

Wrong. It's fun to watch.

What you need is to IGNORE the chaos. Isn't that part of soccer already by now? Why the hypocrisy? Let's face it and accept it. Many soccer matches are pre-planned Brawls, and we should allow them to happen. Indeed, keep the police out, everytime the fight starts and I'm having fun watching them kill themselves comes in the police to put the party down. Bummer. Keep the police out of it, make any fan who goes to the stadium sign a consenting form, resigning the state's guarantee of life over him while inside the stadium or within X meter from it.

Obvisouly, these people will be denied treatment in public hospitals too, they identify themselves don't they? If they exit limping to an emergency room, check his ID and if he was at the mayhem let him die but before he starts rotting remove ALL his organs for transplants. Or try the vet.

We get more organs for people who need it, we stop lying to ourselves and accept that Soccer has become a ladies-sport, and since it isn't a violent-enough sport the fans have to rise the level of violence themselves, and fan's fans have fun watching the fans battle it out.

Add some rugby or true calcio to soccer, or keep the police out of the carnage.

An interesting point raised by Drebbel here.
Let me quote from a homepage of a German policeman. He gives some interesting insight into policing football and its costs:
http://www.eifelcop.com/html/policing_football.html

“Therefore public opinion repeatedly raises the question, if policing football matches should be paid for by the clubs and the football association. If done so it is to be estimated, a share of these costs has to be paid via the price of the tickets by the ordinary peaceful supporters, which actually are the real victims of violence at sport events.�

Indeed, that is likely to happen.
It is the same with financial losses caused by shoplifting. Shoplifting does not affect the business companies (but probably the sole trader that can’t afford a theft assurance anymore because shoplifting has reached a level which makes assurances too expensive for him). The companies compensate any financial losses (assurance fees, observation costs) caused through shoplifting by increasing the prices on their sales goods. So it is actually the entirety of customers whose assets is damaged by shoplifters.

Back to the costs of football policing:
Until now, Police work is financed by tax money, at least here where I live.
There are taxpayers who attend football matches and taxpayers who don’t do. The later don’t bother about ticket prices.
But those taxpayers who like to attend football matches will be unhappy if they have to pay “again� for the safety to watch a football match unharmed which they thought was already included in the tax money they have paid. They will raise the demand that the clubs should pay more taxes/spend more of their money on security instead or even that their beloved gladiators, the football millionaires should give more money. Such a demand is not totally off-point because the clubs make a lot of money with football which they basically spend on new players. The football clubs will probably argue similar, that they already pay a lot of taxes that by all means should include the costs for policing football. They may even threaten the communities who depend on tax money, that they will move their team to a different place where they have to pay lower taxes.
The idea that certain costs for performing public duties by public authorities in some cases are no longer covered by the general tax revenues is of course capable of development. The public authorities are always looking for fresh sources of capital.

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Very fine Extra Dry Humor! :up:

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That is the motto of the XXI. World Youth Day 2006.

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“German government had chosen "to act as an official pimp for the 2006 World Cup�?
http://www.belleville.com/mld/bellev...s/14506802.htm
“The expected World Cup boom for Germany's sex industry has ignited a trans-Atlantic tiff over prostitution, with a U.S. congressman and other anti-trafficking advocates contending Thursday that thousands of foreign women will be forced into sex work during the four-week tournament.�

[Germany has legalized prostitution in 2002. There are about 400,000 registered sex workers who pay taxes and receive social benefits here. Forced prostitution is a punishable act and efforts to combat it have been intensified since then, according to German Government officials.
When reading the local newspapers, I often find stories about police raids in brothels. Prostitutes without proper legal working documents get arrested. Brothels involved in illegal prostitution get closed. The women are sent back to their home countries and the pimps get trialed if there is enough evidence.
There are always sad stories involved about young women from Eastern European countries who by slave traders had been given false promises for a better life in Germany with the possibility to work as e.g. home helpers or baby sitters for a start. Many of these women later find themselves being sold to pimps and forced to work as prostitutes.]

„Rep. Christopher Smith, R-N.J., remains skeptical [about German Government’s anti-trafficking efforts]. He urged Germany to recriminalize prostitution and suggested that it should be reclassified as an "egregious violator" of human trafficking unless tougher steps are taken before the World Cup starts on June 9.
Smith, chairman of the House subcommittee on global human rights, convened a hearing in Washington titled "Germany's World Cup Brothels." Witnesses included representatives from Amnesty International, the International Organization for Migration, and the Angel Coalition, an anti-trafficking women's group in Russia.
Juliette Engel of the Angel Coalition, in her written testimony, said the German government had chosen "to act as an official pimp for the 2006 World Cup -- anticipating millions of dollars in revenues from the exploitation of women's bodies and souls by tens of thousands of male football fans notorious for their drunkenness and violence."
Engel, who said Russian and Eastern European women were Germany's main trafficking victims, described the World Cup as "a human rights disaster in the making."
Germany's past efforts have earned it a favorable "Tier One" designation by the State Department as one of the countries most vigilant in combatting trafficking.
Smith, however, suggested Germany should be reclassified as "Tier Three" -- a serious trafficking violator -- unless new initiatives are taken before June 9.�
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For obvious reasons, big public events attract prostitutes. For example, when the XX. World Youth Day took place in Cologne/Germany last year, motto: “We have come to worship him" (God), an estimated number of 40.000 prostitutes from all over Germany and Europe temporarily moved to Cologne.
Other countries have a less liberal approach towards prostitution. In Sweden e.g. “money for sex� is illegal both for the prostitute and the freer. According to the German “Spiegel Magazin�, representatives of the local interest group of prostitutes from the town where the Swedish national team will stay throughout the group round have invited the Swedish team to visit a local brothel for open talks and for first hand impressions in order to reduce cut and dried opinions. The coaches of the Swedish team have already rejected the invitation as an act of shameless self-promotion.

Apart from the legal ban of prostitution in Sweden: When the winners of group A, in my book: Germany and Poland will play the winners of group B, which will be England and Sweden, it is likely that Germany will play against Sweden.
That is because England and Poland already played against each other in the qualification round and it is football karma that both teams will meet a third time to give Poland an opportunity to revenge its 2 earlier defeats. Also, it has to be noticed that England with Paul Lampard has an extraordinary strong team this year and the old classic “Germany-England� already in the group of the last 16 for reasons of dramaturgy would come too early.
If Sweden should loose the match against Germany, some ugly rumours will be spread in the Swedish tabloid press, for sure.

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Printed and posted on some of the most obvious places in the house.
:D

Football is a game for 22 people, and at the end Germany always wins. :()1: Except sometimes.

The "Sticky" is locked. I will spam here instead.

Some useful links for the true football believers:
-Football world map with
Latest Team News (Yahoo FIFA 2006 World Cup RSS Feeds)
Latest News from Host Cities (Google News RSS Feeds)
Latest Team Blogs (WorldCupBlog.org RSS Feeds) available here:
http://www.mibazaar.com/worldcupsoccer/

-Excellent British world cup blog: “Who ate all the Bratwurst?�
http://www.whoateallthebratwurst.com/, all about football from an Anglo-centric viewpoint, they hope it will be England to eat all the German sausage, at least they hope there won’t be another penalty shout-out against Germany: “The science of penalty kicks. Sven, are you paying attention at the back?�
http://www.whoateallthebratwurst.com..._of_.html#more
Great fun category: “Horror Hair�, pictures of footballers with “business in front, party in the back� hair-styles. Canadians call it Hockey hair, Americans call it the mullet (see also: http://www.mulletsgalore.com/),

-For the plenty of US soccer freaks:
US goalie Kasey Keller is running a world cup blog on CBS website.
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/worldcup/blog/1 , he is one of the brighter football players around,
so he probably will have some interesting things to say from inside the US team.
Also: “FoxSoccer.com has a career gallery of Kasey Keller where you can watch the US keeper go from
convincing Millwall mullet to desperate Captain Picard in seventeen agonizing steps.
Intriguingly, Keller seems to have reverse-Samson syndrome.
The more hair disappears down the plug-hole, the better his goalkeeping becomes�
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/pgSt...2&pageNumber=1
(via Bratwurst).


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:damn: arh merry England...i suppose i'll traumatised again by they're erratic performance...one second they're beating germany and or holland 5 nil the next they're being annihalated by several small badgers on a field trip

they can beat any team in the world...and they can be beaten by any team in the world..it's a well established scientific fact that this is in fact an entirely random phenomenon lol..i sometimes think i'd be happier if they just settled it on the flip of the coin and forgot about the football match altogether...the result would be pretty much the same.... :cry:

whats the betting on the Women's World Cup tho...theres a new slant to the whole thing..at least in terms of being able to watch the matches live on telly and for the first time them allmost being worth actually watching in purely footballing terms anyway.. :hmm:

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I hung your list on the toilet of my appartment, since last weekend my girlfriend is asking my copy after copy to give to her girlfriends, who want to give it to their boyfriends.
It seems women are making fools of us!
:D