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It's not a question of PC or not. You should know that I'm no advocate of PC by now.

It's a question of relying on vile hate sites for your information and - even worse - someone goes around misquoting what they state to make it sound even worse than they intended in the 1st place.

Examples following as per your request for evidence.

From this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=asc&start=120

Then from the same thread you use Reuters to support your argument:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=asc&start=180

From this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...r=asc&start=20

From this thread in reply to someone linking to a BBC article:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...hlight=#366215

From this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...r=asc&start=60

Bradclark dispels this attempt to discredit the article via the website it was linked from with:

And again more attempts to discredit the source or origin or the souce rather than the directly rebutting the information provided within the report in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...r=asc&start=80

And some loonie labelling of the origin of the source in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...r=asc&start=60

Like this topic.

How did a discussion about phony tony backing off iran end up turning into a battle of semantics over who is and who isn't a leftie liberal and pointless bickering over whether your internet source is more credible than mine..? :zzz:

From my point of view anybody with a religious angle on this one should step back a ways. From where I see it being involved in such a manner looses all objectivity.

None of the international players in this one are whiter than white; but the fact is tony is getting leery of the warmongering and aggressive rhetoric both from and directed at Iran. Small wonder he doesn't want to stretch the UK in terms of any military commitment to such an end. Shooting himself in the foot a second time by leading the nation to war on a less than watertight premise will amount to political suicide (and rightly so). Afterall, there's a time and a place; and nobody likes being pushed into something they're not ready for. If america wants to play at World Police, for the time being let them; we're supposed to be able to make up our own minds and not be shouted down by the loudest voice. If it comes to armed conflict with Iran then we should decide upon that when we are good and ready to- not before.
Sure, Saddam needed to gotten rid of, but I am less convinced that we need to show Iran the iron-fist at this early stage in the game.
TBH, international terrorism asside, why we let this constant middle eastern argy-bargy spill out into the rest of the world is beyond me- let those who want war take it somewhere else instead of demanding it become everyones problem also. When you can play nice with all the rational ppl then maybe there will be some point talking.

I would have thought the dashing in with all guns blazing approach would be a little shortsighted? Besides, the day we coldly endorse pre-emptive strikes (and that's what is really at the crux here) based upon endorsing/combatting religious conviction with its own agenda will be a dark day for all those who consider thamselves as sensible countries; might as well set up our own "40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action" in that case.
Our suicide bombers are better and more reliable than your suicide bombers - only difference is ours have onboard computers and laser guidence systems - the reasult is the same though as they're both programed to do what they're told.

So where's the victory there? I can't see it, or any advantage in it at this point and neither (I suspect) can tony; if he's being honest about it.

Jumpy I don't have a religious angle on this but I am fed up of seeing the hate in many threads of recent times, hate perpetuated by Avon Lady and Six Pack to name two.

This place used to be a fun place to hang out and discuss things. Even in the year after 9/11 there was never such vitriolic postings with hate and bile in each one.

I'll probably be accused of having my head in the sand etc.

Anyone who disagrees is treated with disdain and offhand remarks.

Look what happened with Mike "Red Oktober" Hense.

I do support free speech but more and more of what I see here is leaning towards incitement to hate.

So? Where are the loonies? 1 down.
Again, where are the loonies that I quote? 2 down. Next:
[quote]From this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...r=asc&start=20

Once again, where are the loonies? 3 down.

I discarded the rest of your post because your mistake was in not reading exactly what I responded to your earlier question.

I never said that I do not quote news agencies and sources from all sides of the political spectrum, if they have something reasonable and reliable to say.

Thank you for wasting our time. :up: :88)

UPDATE:

Regarding your post's last part, yes indeed, I will reference "loonies" for the sake of pointing out their looniness.

I hope that satisfies your argument. :zzz:

Surely the only time 'wasted' is yours as you choose to see fit and as such is unnessescary as a ripost? :up: :88)

Please show me where I was the first one to "perpetuate hate" on this thread. Should be easy, no?
Here again, we are talking about a completely false statement on the part of Skybird. Or do you agree with false statements or do you have some other source to legitimize them?
Who initiated hostilities by calling me worse than the kommandant of Auschwitz?

And why were you so silent then?

One wonders...........................
Try barking up the right tree. Get your facts straight. It helps.

Definitely mine is wasted but if this is entertainment for you, enjoy the show. :-j

Another guy with the balls to call it like it is around here as Mike "Red October" Hense has done. :up:

Avon Lady,

I made it quite clear that what you do is simply trash the other persons argument time and time again by labelleing the website linked to as leftie, loonie, and so on. You asked for evidence and I called your bluff. Get over it.

So, you're also for promoting incitement to hate other forum members here? Well bully for you!
Very well. Whatever. You now have my clarification in my previous post to you. You win. I lose.

I think most will agree here that you have no need for anyone else to champion your cause - for want of a better word which escapes me for now; I refrain from the word 'bias', but perhaps 'oppinion' or 'point of view' or maybe 'standpoint' would be more accurate?

And it's not so much entertainment as compelling to see what new revalation is going to appear upon the magic window of mystery (my monitor) :lol:

I fully agree with that.

It's another thing, however, to accuse me of being the instigator of the hate incitement on several threads here.

And now back to our show!