German Mig29 during combat exercises out performed the F16 out monoverd it and also killed all 4 simulated in a one v four dog fight with the beligum air force (think it was them).

Is that the 'two big jet engines and a seat... oh yeh, and some old wing thingys we've got lying about Lightening? :lol:

Yup the same planes that can give the F15 a run for its money litteraly!

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...044/howlow.jpg

This is flying at 27 feet at mach one

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...44/tightly.jpg

Tight turns for landing

Tornado at its max operational altitude!I would rather go to war in the Tristar.A friend did the flight testing for the RAF and reckoned that a lot of Lockheeds test data was rubbish especially their figures for corner speed.