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Vinay 03-30-06 04:32 AM

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I don't agree with Afghanistan's policy, nor do I agree with Taliban, Al-Quada, or any other of the multitude of extremists that have sprung up in the name of Islam. These are groups that have hi-jacked a peaceful religion and twisted it to their own purposes.
It is totally wrong to blame the Afghanistan government. Because this will happen in any country where the law is based on the Sharia. According to Sharia any one who converts from Islam need to be eliminated since he did not believe in Allah. This is what has happened. The Afghan government even though under tremendous pressure to execute the person has released him.

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I know lots of Muslim people where I live here in Seattle, and they are not preaching to kill this man or kill Christians because their religion tells them to do so.
Make the U.S law based on Sharia and you will be compelled to either convert to Islam or you have to run from the U.S. What we are seeing is the extremist face of Islam. It all depends on the people. If they are surrounded by majority who did not believe in Allah, they will not have any problem. In Islamic nations which is under the tight control of the Islamic preachers then Islam becomes as said in the Quran.

Konovalov 03-30-06 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinay
This is not an act of Hinduism. No Hindu god has ever said about killing kafirs. There is no mention of killing innocents by Hindu gods. Regarding the above incident is a law and order problem. It has nothing to do with religion. Do you know that the person who committed this henious crime is punished by the Supreme court of India. I think it is a deadth sentence.

In the name of god no religion except Islam is killing Kuffs (Kafirs). So you cannot blame the religion for the problem if the religious texts did not create such problems.

Vinay,

I agree with you that this is not an act of Hinduism per se. But please to say that this this was simply a law and order problem appears like nothing short of spin to me. This incident was an act of premeditated violence which had religion at the core as the motivating factor. Ravindra Pal (alias Dara Singh) and others in that group which brutally murdered a father and his two young children, were members of Sangh Parivar, an extreme fanatical Hindu group which has a strong presence in much of Gujarat and Uttar provinces. The group Sangh Parivar, and specifically Ravindra Pal believed that Graham Staines and his family had been forcibly converting poor Hindus to Christianity and this was constituted as a fundamental threat to his religion. Again this was not a law and order issue. Such a statement would have been fine if the motive was theft or rape, but the facts in the case were that this was an act of murder because one persons religion felt under threat by anothers. Religious violence does not require strict and specific theological direction. Again, to say that this act had nothing to do with eligion is patently false.

Yes, a death sentenced was handed down against Ravindra Pal (Dara Singh), the ringleader, back in 2003 but mid last year this sentence was reduced to life imprisonment. And If I recall correctly 10 or 11 others who had been sentenced to life were then pardoned and set free! :o

The Avon Lady 03-30-06 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov
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Originally Posted by Vinay
This is not an act of Hinduism. No Hindu god has ever said about killing kafirs. There is no mention of killing innocents by Hindu gods. Regarding the above incident is a law and order problem. It has nothing to do with religion. Do you know that the person who committed this henious crime is punished by the Supreme court of India. I think it is a deadth sentence.

In the name of god no religion except Islam is killing Kuffs (Kafirs). So you cannot blame the religion for the problem if the religious texts did not create such problems.

Vinay,

I agree with you that this is not an act of Hinduism per se. But please to say that this this was simply a law and order problem appears like nothing short of spin to me. This incident was an act of premeditated violence which had religion at the core as the motivating factor. Ravindra Pal (alias Dara Singh) and others in that group which brutally murdered a father and his two young children, were members of Sangh Parivar, an extreme fanatical Hindu group which has a strong presence in much of Gujarat and Uttar provinces. The group Sangh Parivar, and specifically Ravindra Pal believed that Graham Staines and his family had been forcibly converting poor Hindus to Christianity and this was constituted as a fundamental threat to his religion. Again this was not a law and order issue. Such a statement would have been fine if the motive was theft or rape, but the facts in the case were that this was an act of murder because one persons religion felt under threat by anothers. Religious violence does not require strict and specific theological direction. Again, to say that this act had nothing to do with eligion is patently false.

Yes, a death sentenced was handed down against Ravindra Pal (Dara Singh), the ringleader, back in 2003 but mid last year this sentence was reduced to life imprisonment. And If I recall correctly 10 or 11 others who had been sentenced to life were then pardoned and set free! :o

You're right.

Now go back to Vinay's opening words: "This is not an act of Hinduism".

No one is arguing that there is no such thing as religiously motivated violence amongst numerous religions world-wide. We are discussing religiously dictated or promotedviolence.

Islam has no match.

Vinay 03-30-06 08:23 AM

Below is the Statement by George Fernandes, Minister of Defence after visiting Orissa

http://www.indianembassy.org/pic/PR_...prjan2899.html

I agree with you that fantics exist. After the rise of Militant Islamism there has been a rise in Extremist leaders (those who don't know the basics of religion) who tried to get support form the people.

Such henious incidents are extremely low in India. Check from the date of Independent India and you will notice that such incidents have occured only in very limited numbers.

Again you tried to link it with Hinduism. The religion Hindusim never explains in whatsoever manner the usage of violence.

Regarding the court, it still functions on the British model. Till there is no concrete evidence against the culprit the culprit is left free. There is a hue and cry in India regarding Justice denied to Jessica Lal who was shot dead. The court has taken up the case again.


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