That's a hit to the gut :arrgh!:

La Fallaci decapitata.

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Interesting read, Lady.

Well that was a boring read :down:

Another intellectually stimulating and comprehensive review of yours!

Thanks for the link Avon Lady.

It seems most of the world was sleeping, and only a handfull woke-up so far.

But it is obvious, many sympathize with the Muslims because the idea of being able to change law, change society, based on the pressure of a little group of organized protesters, suits them perfectly fine. As we seen in the Middle East, it's easy to command brainless people around, it's easy to get hold of a little mass, and manipulate it to maneuver them as you see fit. Let's ban nuclear energy! Manouver your little group of activists, get it banned, but then ignore the fact you continue to buy nuclear energy from France.

Marxism, like Islam, is devoid of self-criticism, blame all your problems in America and carry on with your daily life, whatever happens, it must be better than America, whatever you feel like, you must always feel superior to America and consider yourself part of a culture of résistance. I've read on 4 Italian newspapers that the cartoon protests are Bush's fault to be blamed on the war in Iraq, if there never was a war in Iraq, the Danish cartoons would never sparkle the wave of protests, naive to say the least, because the Imman who travelled from Denmark to Syria carrying the cartoons and a few extras wasn't motivated by any particular reason other than to destroy the whole of Europe, Italian newspapers included.

The trouble is all old news reshaped, rehashed, and reworked and so on. Please something new if possible.

I'll try to link to article with more pictures in them for you from now on. :-j

You have a wicked sense of humour :D

There is a strong lobby in the West that is propagating Muslim immigration. Muslim groups, but non-Muslim grouops as well, coming from politics and economics. I sometimes wonder if they WANT to turn Western democracies into the totalitarian-style order of Islamic fascism in order to make the masses easier to command around and have an easier way with their economical profit interests that way.

If the whole world went Islamic over night they still will not be happy!

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." (Bertrand de Juvenal).

I hate the stupidity of crowds.

Indeed Skybird, buy some Italian newspapers, read for yourself.

Outrageous, but true, there are groups indeed that want to destroy Europe, crush this pathetic culture, this rotten Democracy, and replace it for their ideal of a new [old] world, they view Islam as revolutionary heroes, the holders of the key to fulfill their goals.

I found the quote that can explain it better than I can:

Le léninisme (Dominique Colas), chapter 1:

"(...) il n'y a pas d'autre pour Lénine. (...) A la place de l'autre, comme objet d'une identification possible, est placé l'Autre, le garant de la verité, la source des énoncés vrais, c-est-à-dire l'histoire (...) Pas de recours pour qui parle à Lénine: il n'y a pas d'Autre de l'Autre. Il n'y a pas de Marx de Marx: comment invoquer Marx contre un énoncé marxiste? Comment invoquer Lénine contre Lénine? Comment parler au nom du prolétariat contre le parti du prolétariat, c-est-à-dire contre le prolétariat? Comment parler au nome des paysans opprimés contre le parti des opprimés? Impossible de parler au nom de l'Autre à l'Autre. Il serait fou celui qui parlerait à Dieu au nom de Dieu"

“La gesticulation hystérique est alors un effort, nécessairement voué à l'échec, pour maintenir le lien intersubjectif, pour essayer de faire reconnaître son existence par l'autre�

A terrible attempt to translate it into English (maybe google can do it better):
"For Lenin, the other does not exist. Instead of the other as something identifiable, the "Other" is put as the guarantee of the truth, as the source of the true enunciates: the history. There are no alternatives to those who speak to Lenin: the Other of the Other does not exist. The Marx of Marx does not exist. Afterall, how can Marx be invoked against a marxist enunciate? How can Lenin be invoked against Lenin? How can you speak in the name of the proletariat against the party of the proletariat - against the proletariat iselt? How to speak in the name of the oppressed peasants against the party of the oppressed? It is impossible to speak in the name of the "Other" to the "Other". Only a madman would speak to God in the name of God."

"The histerical gesticulation is an effort necessarily doomed to failure, to maintain the intersubjective lace, to attempt to make your existence recognizable by the other."

Rough, nonetheless, it is understandable why some Western figures would sympathize with Islam and welcome the destruction force of Islam with open arms, they share much in common, in their essence and in their desires, wishes. That's why some lunatics go to the point of identifying Islam as the victim, and the Islamist strategy as nothing but a natural, justified, [revolutionary] fight for their own existence, and as such, Islam is seen as superior to Europe and the West in general.

Obviously, "dialogue" is doomed to failure, you cannot defeat Islam in the democratic realm, because for them, "Democracy" does not exist (the "Other" does not exist), but only in the realm of force. Islam does not retreat, does not withdraw, does not leave the scene by its own legs, it must be removed. That's why it is useless for the West to tell to Islam: "Listen, you do not burn embassies alright? That's bad! Listen, don't justify and encourage terrorism, that's bad alright?".

"Dialogue" is useless, Islam must be hindered, stopped, they do not know any other language.

Nice sig, Skybird :lol:

IHave you already read this one?
http://www.jesusradicals.com/library/ellul.php (the second one, Betrayal of the West, large pdf, I suggest not trying to read it in the browser but right-clicking and downloading)
To be honest, I haven't had the time to read much of it myself. But from the few parts I did read, I thought perhaps you'd be interested, and others on this forum too. This doesn't mean I fully agree with the author, he's a Marxist Christian (a bit strange perhaps, closest description I could think of) apparently addressing a mostly left-wing audience. Still, there are good things in his work. He (Jacques Ellul) is perhaps better known for his work on propaganda.

I'll have a look at it, thanks!