yeah the people vote then who ever wants to leave an opinion does so :D

at night and from behind a 747 can be mistaken from a millatery plane spyplane AWACS refuler what ever does happen

during bosnia a plane strayed into the no fly zone american pilots thought it was a tanker turned out to be a UAE plane on its way to bahrain :doh:

Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

I've read some articles, a book and seen the documantary aboutg it. Furthermore I still remember the event...
I voted no, of course. No excuse for shooting down civilian aircraft. I might have been in that plane...

I basically agree with the content of this posting of XabbaRus.
When you're flying off course because your nav. equipment has the wrong setting you don't realise it so you don't sent Mayday's,
Furthermore, how can you spy from a commercial 707 like KAL007 used, that is flying international routes and will get maintenance all over the world?

Anybody here (including Kaiptain) think you can just glue a secret antenna to a civilian plane, or put some camera's in the hold and no mecanic in Paris, New York, Sao Paolo or Tokyo will notice and report to the local Aviation Authorities or the press?
Then ask the flight crew to fly off course through restricted Soviet airspace and run the likely chance to get shot down with all passengers?
Finally keep all this secret from the management of a commercial airline, the press and everybody?
Go figure!

The only possibility of "spying" is that the plane has voluntarily or involuntarily been used as a "passive probe" and that the deviation off course was intentionally - known to the pilots or (more probably) unknown but 'arranged' by US intelligence operators in Alaska - to test the Soviet reaction. Testing air defense happened a lot during the Cold War.
But for this theory there is no conclusive evidence (yet), so it remains a theory...

Also, the (one!) RC 135 was flying a few hundred miles away and was probably copying events. I guess the US got the real intel bonanza; elint-copy a live USSR fighter interception attempt!

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Maybe this was the training! :o

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Funny but sorry to you, Avon Lady... it was a Boeing 707 and I edited my posting...
:-?

Avon lady has a point, and it did cross my mind esp, as the SU-15 AFAIK had a searchlight...

Abraham has touched on something though.

Maybe the INS was tampered with so KAL007 would fly into soviet restricted airspace and that RC-135 would monitor it all...

Again no proof but could happen, couldn't it?

Gee. I thought I was kidding. :doh:

I have some ideas about. But they probably will insult many of you.
I don't really know, who shot down that Boeing. I don't know if it was even shoot down. I don't know if there was only one aircraft.
For me, this is only a brilliant examle of propaganda campaign. Conducted by US. Incredible and unseen before. Soviets were once again declared cold-blooded killers. And this time, US propagandists gained a great victory.

In July 1988 Iranian Airbus was shoot down by USS Vincennes in neutral waters over the Gulf. 290 crew and passengers dead, including 66 children. Official vercion - radar operators confused 747 for enemy F-14. 9 years after, US paid totally $61.8 million in compensation. And then, the incident was forgotten. Commander of USS Vincennes was awarded for this campaign.
Nobody talks about it now - as if it was a simple flycatching.
It was forgotten. Because it was done by US.

No. Because the US admitted it was a blunder and they were mistaken.

See the difference? :hmm:

Yes. Of course. Just a simple mistake. 290 lives - peace of cake. Nobody called cruiser crew or fleet commanders "killers", nobody discuss if it was a military crime. It's just a mistake. Americans can do such little mistakes. You can't make an omelet (democracy) without breaking eggs (killing people). Of course. :down:

Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Actually it was a big mistake, a complicated one. The cruiser sailed in an area of high hostile threat and a series of mistakes were made. America took its responsability, acknowledged guilt and payed a huge sum of damages. Quite a difference with the Soviet behaviour after shooting down KAL007.Well, there was this South Korean plane, flight KAL007, on its way from Paris to Seoul, taking off from Anchorage (Alaska), the crew made the usual position reports to Tokyo till it was over Sakhalin. There the crew suddenly reported loss of cabin presure. Nothing more was heard, but a radio interchange between Russian fighters and the ground controller: "The target is destroyed." The plane did not land in Seoul.
Go figure what happened to the plane.
This quote is usually attributed to Stalin joking about communism. Is "communism" now replaced by "democracy" in Russia?
;)

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Yes, here I'm agree. Soviets made a fatal fault - they keeped silence. They lost psychological war because of it.
But let's think another way. Maybe, Soviets never shoot down Boeing? At least civilian Boeing? :hmm: And therefore, Soviets just didn't admit the thing they never did?

Oh, sir, if it really was that simple... Try to think. Try to analyze the situation. Not the official US news reports, but the whole situation that time and that place. A short thinking will be resulted in more than one version. Even this your brief description isn't unambiguous.

I meaned American-style democracy.

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Maybe! Maybe! Maybe!

It's just baseless but don't let the facts get in your way. Already discussed in prior posts.
Speaking of ambiguity.................................. :doh: :88)
And why do you think that's so? What do you base this on? :-?

Something is defintely "scrambled" here. :hmm:

put it this way russia was well with in its rights to shoot down that plane it was in russian airspace had no need to be there and it conducted what was thought to be evasive monovers and thus is very suspisious.

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Because American style is to bring democracy with a force to those, who don't want that democracy to be brought this way :yep:

Re: Korean air 007 should it have been shot down?
 

Any examples?
You mean the Bosnian Muslims, the Afghan Muslims and the Iraqi Muslims probably...
;)