Orzel, Chris, whatever you prefer- you rock :rock:
Thanks for the help on this. I've been working it for 8 hours now, and it's been frustrating- I'm sure it must've been frustrating for you to have to endure question after question from me on a subject you thought you had answered. :yep:

Okay, lemme see if I understand you.

To make a NEW model, with a NEW name, I need to use the process we've already done to create a clone (changing the id/txtref/3d/parent), AND I need timetraveller's tool to create a new tga to associate with it?

Do I need to change the references in the dat/dsd/sim/zon that say JU87, JU_87, JU87Stuka for example? That are on the right side in 010 editor (expressed as ascii value)?

Orzel, can you send me the files for the Liberator? I'm sure I missed a couple. I got time traveler's dat extractor and will try to figure out how to do this. I think you're saying I need to change the ref in the dat file from liberator.tga to new_file.tga, using whatever my new tga will be?

Hi Orzel - so far the main problem for me has simply been finding these unique id's for other units. I'm working with ships and it's been harder to find the data indicating that one of these id's is encoded. I looked at the stuka's dat file and could tell where one id was because it was "marked off" by blocks of 0's like this: 00 00 00. But for the ships the locations seem to be much less obvious, especially since there are so many big sections of 00's embedded throughout the file. Is there any easier way to find all the id's we need? Thanks.

The tool lurbz posted in a link works pretty well- you can see most of the strings, but there seem to be a few lacking. On the Stuka there were 4 strings I was unable to locate using the tool.

Here's the link to the tool in question

http://cursos.usal.es/~felipe/dc/datconvert.zip

Shadow,

This is my hour of revenge. :fff:

That nice hat, I knew that one day it would be your... :lol:

I think that Orzel have make a mistake, that IDs is not found in the default Stuka. Or perhaps I'm wrong!

Rubini

Shadow,

Just to be safe, any changes that you've made to dat you should make to respective sim, zon, dsd , val etc if and when you change or rename names "textur ref" etc. Keep record of what you rename that way you can search for it in sim, zon, dsd , val.

I'll post the Liberator strings for you in a moment.

The tool lurbz made in combination with hex editor in my opinion can help you guys in next chapter of creating new objects using existing objects aka what Sergbuto did. In time I'll post new tutorial using Stuka or Swordfish as an example.

Iambecomelife,

Well I created certain tools to help me out; however there is a way using hex editor to find out exactly where all of the strings are located. I will try to explain it later in the future where they are located in dat file using hex editor. For example I remember that In CL Dido there is 171 id to be replaced. Ship model is more complex but the idea of hex-editing it is the same as working with aircraft.

Rubini,

I gave complete list of strings for Stuka no mistake there. Of course you can make a workable clone of stuka with replacing far less id but I don’t know what effect it will have in the long run. There is a place where dat file holds all id like database that each dat file has. I have my own tools that I’ve made and my understanding maybe different from what lurbz did with his tool?

Of course lurbz was still in development his tool so…………… So far my technique works, haven’t seen any problems yet with my clones. I believe not sure but lurbz tool shows all the id etc. you just have too look deeper ;)

Chris a.k.a. Orzel

Ok Shadow here is the complete list for the liberator. Now my work here is complete. You now know how to clone objects please teach and help others :)

I’m retiring to my Atlantis world, somewhere deep where I can relax and enjoy this beautiful life :)

I’ll be checking this forum and if you guys need more help I’ll try and help you as best as I can. I want SH3 community to grow and expand.

PS. Guys there is also possibility of doing SH3 to DC2 conversion. It kind of works I’ve tested it in limited way. What I mean you can pilot DC’s CL’s etc.



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Chris a.k.a. Orzel

Orzel,

Thanks for the reply. I thought that you made a mistake because in the first post I find all that Ids whit lurbz's dat tool. But, thanks to explain all this stuff to us. We need a dat tool to speed up the work with the clone units. It's very hard- if not almost impossible - to do this without a tool. If you finish your dat tool please post to us. :hmm:

Thanks again,

Rubini.

Thanks Rubini,

Sure thing..................:)

Chris a.k.a. Orzel

@Orzel- thanks a heap dude! If I get the clone working, I'll let you know.

@Rubini- yeah, I've got the lame hat now. My turn in the barrel :P

@Orzel- thanks a heap dude! If I get the clone working, I'll let you know.

@Rubini- yeah, I've got the lame hat now. My turn in the barrel :P

I hope the missing ones are easy to find without the tool. I've started using it to make a clone for the T-3, and there seem to be 40-plus ID's. It's easy enough with the data converter but I would probably have no idea where to look without it.

BUMP

Hmm, sorry for not following this thread as most of what's said here is far out of my areas of modding expertise, but...

I wonder if by cloning and somewhat modifying certain equipment and weapons files we could mod, say, Squid and Fido into the game (by putting a T-V on planes, and modifying the performance of a K-gun and putting it in forward position.)

Hmm... :hmm:

Yeah, this cloning thing is a bit beyond me too. I had great plans for it aswell. The tutorial is bit hit and miss. The most difficult bit is finding the IDs. The tool apparently doesn't find them all and we really need to know how to find the rest of them. Unfortunatly only a few people know how to find them all and that isn't explained very well in the tutorial so you have to ask them to find them for you, as seen in the list above.

I think that defeats the object of a tutorial, if you can't do it all yourself with only half the instructions.

The moving of objects around a boat may be explained sometime in the future I hope.

A fully functioning tool would be the ultimate goal but I have given up on this for now.