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les green01

11-24-23 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 2893184)

Something I find worth noting is how Oswald landed the book depository job in the first place is strong indication that it was a opportunistic killing.

Around mid-October, Oswald's wife heard from their neighbour that another neighbour had gotten a job at the Depository. The first neighbour then asked the other if he could ask for a job for Oswald. #2 told #1 to tell Oswald's wife that there might be need for more workers at the Depository. Oswald and another man were hired and by chance the manager decided to have Oswald work at the Depository while he sent the other new employee to work at another location.

This all happened around mid-October, a whole month before it was even internally decided where JFK would speak in Dallas and which route the motorcade would take.

I mean, does that sound like a carefully planned conspiracy to assassinate JFK?

don't forget they didn't release the parade rout until Nov 19th

mapuc

11-24-23 12:52 PM

Within minutes after this fatale shooting every Police officer in Dallas knew about Oswald.

This is from my memory in a book I read some years ago. JFK.

There is also an another movie I would recommend.

3 Shots with Burt Lancaster

Markus

les green01

11-24-23 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2893263)

Oswald just barely made it out police didn't know it was Oswald until after they arrested him he did match the profile of the person shooting JFK which is why officer Tippit stop him when Tippit got out Oswald pump 4 38's into him in front of 12 people went into the theater when the police show up he went for the 38 again only thing that save that officer was when he grab the 38 the meat and skin of his thumb got between the hammer and gun so the 38 couldn't fire if you look at Oswald forehead he has a cut he got that when they smack in the head with a 38 butt one of the failors i see is with the fbi why didnt they alert dallas police Oswald was in dallas and alert the secert service

Jimbuna

11-25-23 08:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vH2Et_uxiU

Otto Harkaman

11-25-23 01:50 PM

https://youtu.be/Rl60yWSgRyA?si=qItqZYDFyOAqL8gk

Dowly

11-25-23 03:22 PM

Here are few questions to ponder, I am not expecting anyone to answer, just throwing them out there.

1. Were there one or two shooters?
2. If there was a second shooter, where was he?
3. If one or more shots came from the front, how is it possible that 1+x bullet fragments were found INSIDE the limo? (the "pristine bullet" + fragments of a second one)
4. If there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll, nearly 90 degrees to the right of JFK, how come Jackie wasn't wounded? She was right next to him, on his left side. No bullet was found in JFK's head, so it must've exited.
5. If there was shooter somewhere to the front of the limo, where did the bullet go after passing through JFK's head? There must've been an exit wound somewhere in the right-back side of his head. (1) Again, no bullet was found inside his head.
6. Autopsy report mentions a clean bullet hole in the back of the head. How does that support shooting from front/side?
7. Eyewitness say they either heard shots from around the depository, or from the Grassy Knoll area. Only a handful mention shots from TWO areas. Who's right? Majority heard shots from either or, so according to them, there was only ONE shooter. Either in the depository or on the Grassy Knoll. Which one is it.
7b. Most eyewitnesses heard three shots. Can a shooter on the Grassy Knoll achieve the wounds with three shots? How about one shooter in the depository?

(1)*The Zapruder film shows clearly that JFK's head was turned slightly down and to his left.

em2nought

11-25-23 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by les green01 (Post 2893176)

On December 21, 1956, Oswald was tested for marksmanship with his rifle on five different exercises—from 200, 300 and 500 yards firing slowly and from 200 and 300 yards firing rapidly. Based on these results a Marine would be rated by a defined scoring system: over 190 points was considered a marksman, over 210 was a sharpshooter, and over 220 was considered an expert. Oswald scored 212 and was rated in the middle as a sharpshooter. For the slow test, the target was 10" tall by 10" wide. For the rapid fire test the target was 26" wide by 19" tall. A closer examination of Oswald's 200 yard rapid fire result shows he hit 8/10 bullseyes and scored 48 out of 50. An expert rating on this test would have required a minimum score of 44 points (44 points x 5 tests = 220 points required). On his next test, 300 yards in rapid fire, Oswald hit 7/10 bullseyes scoring 46 out of 50. Again an expert rating on this test would have required a result of 44. So in both tests that most closely matched the conditions in the Kennedy assassination for rapid fire shooting Oswald scored above an expert level. Additionally on his third test from 500 yards firing slowly, Oswald scored 46 out of a possible 50: again shooting above an expert level.after the first shot he knows the odds are against him so least take the target out even then he just manage to escape think he down on the fourth floor when he runs into the manager and police officer with the manger telling the officer that oswald works here and out of the door he goes gets on the bus just think if the bus hadnt been able to drive away

For some reason, I thought he was only a "Marksman" so yeah he was a better shot than me.

Otto Harkaman

11-25-23 09:23 PM

Was it Allen Dulles who ordered the hit on JFK?:-?

Dismissal
During the Kennedy Administration, Dulles faced increasing criticism. In autumn 1961, following the Bay of Pigs incident and the Algiers putsch against Charles de Gaulle, Dulles and his entourage, including Deputy Director for Plans Richard M. Bissell Jr. and Deputy Director Charles Cabell, were forced to resign. On November 28, 1961, Kennedy presented Dulles with the National Security Medal at the CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The next day, November 29, the White House released a resignation letter signed by Dulles. He was replaced by John McCone. :hmmm:

On November 29, 1963, President Lyndon B. Johnson appointed Dulles as one of seven commissioners of the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination of the U.S. President John F. Kennedy.:huh:

CIA career brief on Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles#CIA_career

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dat...KlSoFSpUqD/9k=https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dat...pUqak3bNByX//Z

les green01

11-26-23 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2893465)

100's of people work on the commission with higher ambition doing the ground and dirty work interviews the whole 9 yards one went as far to say i wanted to find a conspiracy when i join if i would have i would be in congress not John Glenn so let say someone hired Oswald don't know why anyone would he fail at being a Marine,he fail in russia,fail with jobs,fail at his marriage,went to mexico to get to cuba fail at that even Ruth Payne said she wouldn't have hired him for anything so the only income he has is work i can get this guy any sniper rifle in the world but we going make him buy his owned rifle and scope and just hope it is a good one we dont get him a car so he has to rely on bus and taxi or another person so no way to escape we leave in Police custy for 2 days and hope he dosen't talk if i have someone take Oswald place for the shooting let hope Oswald not around anyone that can give him a alibie now read what i have just wrote if i Oswald i be real talkive,now i'm going have ruby bust the cap on Oswald but minutes before Ruby is at a telegram place sending money too one of his strippers so lets hope he gets in place before they move Oswald we have no doubt Ruby gets him that on film guys i have read and watch every conspiracy thing around on Jfk and all the evidence points to Oswald and warren commision got it right

Otto Harkaman

11-26-23 04:27 AM

Carcano M38 a cheap gun, in quality or price?

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...c6b739eb29b-lq https://freerangeamerican.us/wp-cont.../Carcano_4.jpg

Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons seems to think it was decent weapon when provided with proper ammo.

https://youtu.be/y5s31mVy7fY?si=P4Bm45uh3trJtxMK
https://youtu.be/V-lJZPF_fJQ?si=NITLQsCXnPeS14kn

les green01

11-26-23 06:44 AM

look at the prices of the others if you have a choice why not get a Garand and Oswald was train with the Garand put a scope on it or even a 03 springfield matter of fact if a high ranking use to be cia hired you wouldn't you ask for money in advance i sure would i would even ask for a weapon that can't be trace to me and with all the bells and whistles maybe with a siiencer the rifle Oswald use got the job done wasn't long range slow moving target with one in the pipe all he had to do was cycle the bolt twice you know being a high ranking cia or use to be he could still get his hands on some cool fun toys and with bobby still head of justice for what a year after his bother would have move earth to get his bother killer yep the Garand would have been the one for me 8 shots semi Marine Corp training with the sling with my left arm to steady the rifle

em2nought

11-26-23 06:11 PM

I thought he had the longer version. I bought one just like his, sans scope, in the early 80s for somewhere between $40 and $60 with a box or two of those funky bullets. The quality didn't seem to be terrible. Around that time you could still get a 1903A1 for around $200.

I think it was decades later that I learned the Carcano is what he used.

Looking at that rifle it just seems like mine was a little bit shorter, a carbine.

mapuc

11-26-23 06:17 PM

Could you say that the truth died with Oswald ?

Could his rifle make such a damage to a head ? Here I'm thinking of the last and deadly shot

Markus

les green01

11-26-23 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2893557)

Could you say that the truth died with Oswald ?

Could his rifle make such a damage to a head ? Here I'm thinking of the last and deadly shot

Markus

we can say it did i do believe in 85 in the UK they held a mock trial with the jury being people that was on the voter roll in 63 and Oswald was found guilty i think the biggest problem we all have is Ruby shut the trial down if Oswald lives and goes to trial found guilty you got closer we wouldnt have this going on for 60 years depends on the rounds but yes they could now the person who sets the killing up is JFK himself no bubble top dont want the secert service to block the view of him so during the rout when on the back of the car they are kneeling down to trunk level instead of standing just minutes before the two of them got off to make ready for the speedway going to a hot bed of a city where just a few month ago a member of his admissition got attack a city that a attemp on a ex general took place

Gorpet

11-26-23 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2893099)

JFK wore a back brace. The impact from behind would push him forward but that brace would cause the backwards motion.

That's good Jeff. I think Charles Benjamin Mawhinney, Just might tell ya different story. Any frontal head shot i've made always had brain matter following the the exit direction of the of the bullet.And of course we know calibers decide the appropriate destruction of all that's in front of us right. Merry Christma Soldier.Here's the crux of the biscuit,the only way you'll get what you want is to ignore the apostrophes in life. And don't eat the liberals yellow snow.Who really cares today ? His family is dead .The Kennedys are gone....and America is looking forward to a new family unit that can check all the boxes and bring their own guns to the White House.

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