Sure, expect a Slovene to ruin the party :nope:

Then you better not talk to our current or previous ambassador there. When I asked him about Erdogan's policy of using false allegations against the military, journalist and civil society (Ergenekon), he just said that it was a small matter of Turkey cleaning house and that we should leave them alone.

Did you know this an ongoing "conspiracy" in turkey

A FB friend have told me that his Turkish friend living in turkey have said the rumour that Erdogan is behind this is growing.

Markus

F-16s have bombed the parliament building in Ankara, two explosions, very loud, reported live on Fox news Turkey. A Black Hawk and Huey were also operating in the area.

Yes, exactly because of this, because people are spreading it. However, there is nothing that supports this yet - so I'd keep the ball flat for now.

Erdogan is landing in Istanbul. Looks like it's over folks.
He's got his Reichstag fire, god help any liberals, secularists or Gulen supporters in Turkey after tonight.

The AKP has infiltrated the once more secular officer corps systematically with Sultan-loyal apparatschiks and orthodox religious zealots, since years, like they do with media, universities, court and justice. Seems to have paid off.

The coup came many years too late. The military has slept too long. Last but not least thanks to EU and US pressure.

And lets face it, the clear majority of Turks is pro AKP and pro Erdoghan. Only a few metropoles are mixed and oriented towards europe, the tourist cities, but the clear majority of the population outside these places is extremely orthodox religious, and not secular at all. Islam did not go away in the Kemalist era, only held a winter sleep.

Thats how I saw things twenty years ago when I was there for some longer time. I cannot imagine that it has changed for the better since then.

I could even imagine that this "coup" was a staged plot planned by Erdoghan. Malicous enough for that he is.

Yep, in retrospect this botched coup was a bad idea, and will turn out horribly for secular Turkey. Expect even more crackdowns, reprisals, and thuggery aimed at Kurds and honestly, any liberal members of the Turkish government.

However, if it goes too far, I'm thinking Turkey can kiss any hope of EU membership goodbye forever.

The side-effects of a coup (graphic):
https://www.facebook.com/muslu.apo.5...6802027074835/

This is why, for a while now, I always hold back from wishing for armed revolution...because while Erdogan happily circles around the Med, his people become bloody messes on the ground.

When you asked him ??
How far up the chain are you ?? Directly or indirectly :hmmm:

And I'm not surprised that our diplomacy only revolves around parroting what DC and Brussels tell us :nope:
Plus, our export into Turkey is one fifth of that to Russia, we should have embargoed them instead :/\\!!


My condolances to any sane Turks remaining, you're stuck with an impotent version of Mehmed the greats brother, Mehmed the limp.

BTW the German Tagesschau reports that several thousand pro Erdogan protesters had gathered in front of Turkish diplomatic facilities in Germany during the night. It seems the a lot of Turks in Germany like how Erdogan is becoming a dictator. More power to them but please finally close the door to the EU for good as it should have been done years ago.

Another bloody mess.

A Turkish military helicopter has landed in Greece, eight on board have requested asylum.

Erdoghan rises stronger than ever before from this. The real coup is just about to be launched.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am completely outside the chain of command in Slovenia. I got to ask the ambassador during his visit to our faculty (while I was still a student) and mind you, the question received a mighty big stink eye from the professors present.

Actually, I would not blame this on the EU or the US. The ambassador did not only reject any sort of clean-up by Erdogan, but the amount of wilful ignorance that he presented made it clear that it was either him or the Foreign Ministry that were out of their minds. Considering how our foreign policy is to kiss every and anyone's behind, I would sooner pin this whole disgrace to our government.

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I also join the rest of you hoping that the backlash will not be too severe (who are we kidding). I have met many liberal/Kemalist Turks while studying abroad and I know they were already receiving flak in calmer times. I dare not think how many will be getting house visits in the following days and weeks, taking them our for an "interview".