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Herr-Berbunch 02-01-15 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2283477)
We should have knocked over the Mallard in York and use that as an official Subsim ''thread derailed'' image

I think the trustees of the National Railway Museum may have had something to say about that. And even with Hodor on our side I doubt we'd have shifted over 100 tons of deadweight.

kranz 02-01-15 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2283261)
I'm not sure who you're referring to but this issue you appear to have is beginning to get a little old and wearing thin.

quite the opposite. the censorship here is getting worse. I'm here since 2007 and I can't recall my posts being secretly deleted.
Yes - I've been infracted a few times but I would never call that censorship.
And I'm referring to the person who deletes my posts.
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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2283261)
If you have issues with a certain individual or that of their country then debate the matter in a civil manner without resorting to personal attacks. Better still, take it to PM.

no idea why you think I'm attacking anyone's country. you might have also confused 'personal attacks' with disproving someone's lies. 'You choice'.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2283261)
Having a pop at any of the moderators in public will do nothing other than bring about a swift conclusion to any matter.

right. the ukraine thread has already had one moderator with a 'tl;dr' attitude.
but now it appears that when I pinpoint my claim and one's fallacies because someone didn't take time to read the thread, it's called 'having a pop at moderators'.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2283326)
Given what your two countries have done to his over the past 100 years can you blame him?

Skybird came here with his silly remark about 'being after Germany and Russia', u_crank followed him with another silly remark about September 39. Our forum doctorate-to-be, CCIP, drew conclusions from what was said earlier and called me a russophobe and started all this 'hes against russia'.
So basically we are neither going to discuss who is deleting posts nor why lies are allowed. But we are going to lynch me for being a russophobe.
Thank God Tribesman has been brigged - I'm pretty sure he would add a 'Jew-eater' title.

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2283338)
Kranz,
you are looking at this all wrong. What you have to ask yourself is how many people are gullible enough to believe there are no Russian troops in ukraine. :ping:

well, judging from this thread - a LOT.
One or two people being gullible - no problem.
10 people - no problem.
the whole forum - no problem.
deleting 'inconvenient' posts revealing lies of gullible people - a huge problem.

You proved him wrong, I did the same - he didn't care. He keeps posting his 'maps, facts and whatnot' and tries to fit his narration into what he currently needs. He is an 'exemplary' forum member and I'm a russophobe. :yeah:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2283382)
kranz, Subsim will let you have your say, will let you voice your opinion, within a pretty wide set of limits. If you begin to think that you can settle world affairs by attacking other members here, then you need to stop and re-think.

I'm not trying to settle world affairs. I'm just trying to prevent 'revisionism' taking place in one of the threads.
Besides, the limits you mentioned are apparently set to more than one scale when it comes to applying them.

Oberon 02-01-15 03:42 PM

http://www.urbanwoot.com/wp-content/...13/02/dig1.jpg

Jeff-Groves 02-01-15 03:52 PM

Uh Oh! I can see this out the back door!

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...ban-hammer.jpg

CCIP 02-01-15 04:06 PM

One thing to add to myself - I'm sorry if I come off attacking, because I don't mean to label anyone or bully them or chase them out, and that certainly applies to both of you, kranz and August. Sorry if I came off that way. I only mean to call out speaking points and behaviour, and I mean no offense towards anyone's personality. Despite all I might disagree on, I have lots of respect for both of you and am not trying to offend you - sorry if I did.

Another thing: I don't hold a monopoly on truth, and I don't think anyone else should either. One thing that I (being very much anti-Putin, anti-crimean-annexation, anti-current-Russian-policy in general) have always done is checked and cross-checked, and you'll see that even in the Ukraine thread, I've repeatedly pointed out caveats, bias, etc. when I saw them, in ikalugin's posts and elsewhere. I've never once seen him react badly or fail to acknowledge information bias. Believe me, since I frequent Russian discussion media, and I know what a paid pro-govenment shill sounds like and behaves like. Ikalugin is nowhere near that, and I think it's unfair to single him out, especially since even if his information does come from particular sources, he never overclaims anything about it and is amenable to polemics.

The notion of distortion presumes an objective truth about the situation. I'm sorry to say, but I think we're about as far as we can be from having an objective picture of what's going on in the Ukraine. There's very little independent reporting, and there are mass campaigns - on both sides - to spin the situation to political advantage. I'm sorry to say, but anyone right now who claims to have some kind of true understanding of it (and thus fights distortion) is a bit misled. I'd rather see things from both sides right now, and I don't see how ikalugin's posts are not helping in that. Don't like his maps? Find other maps. You might say he has a "Russian media machine" behind him, but actually there's easily-found resources from the Ukrainian side doing the same thing. There's a whole community of pro-Ukrainian blogs out there compiling information, videos, evidence, maps, etc. It's very easy to find some backup to help your cause, and nobody will stop you from that here.

Cybermat47 02-01-15 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2283349)
Like I care whether you're surprised or not. Given what your grandfathers did to his I think it's entirely reasonable that they remain suspicious and distrusting of your claims of rehabilitation for a few more generations at least.

How can we trust you?

After all, all Americans these days are rapist mass-murderers, by your logic.

All of you should apologise for something you have no responsibility for, right away :yep:

Oberon 02-01-15 05:08 PM

Can I apologise for our future conduct against alien races? :hmmm:

Jeff-Groves 02-01-15 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2283681)
Can I apologise for our future conduct against alien races? :hmmm:

By Alien do you mean 'off World'?
:har:

Oberon 02-01-15 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2283683)
By Alien do you mean 'off World'?
:har:

In before our resident squirrel:

http://images.cdbaby.name/n/i/nicksiegel.jpg

Jeff-Groves 02-01-15 05:17 PM

According to the Foil Hat crowd?
We have already sliced and diced them, Autopsy, stolen downed craft and hidden them and more.
:haha:

Sailor Steve 02-01-15 05:28 PM

Okay, this is where I fall into my bad habit of actually discussing the subject rather than just handing out infractions.
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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 2283644)
quite the opposite. the censorship here is getting worse. I'm here since 2007 and I can't recall my posts being secretly deleted.
Yes - I've been infracted a few times but I would never call that censorship.
And I'm referring to the person who deletes my posts.

I believe the moderator who deleted your post did so rather than just brig you for the obviously hostile attack.

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no idea why you think I'm attacking anyone's country. you might have also confused 'personal attacks' with disproving someone's lies. 'You choice'.
So far I don't see that you have "disproved" anything. In the deleted post you simply called someone a "dirty liar". Can you show where you have proven that to be true?

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right. the ukraine thread has already had one moderator with a 'tl;dr' attitude.
but now it appears that when I pinpoint my claim and one's fallacies because someone didn't take time to read the thread, it's called 'having a pop at moderators'.
First, where exactly did you pinpoint your claim? Did you show the subject of your attacks that he was wrong? Did you prove that he was lying? Please explain.

Second, your opening post of this thread says
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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 2283237)
so, how much does ikalugin pay you to cover up his dirty lies about russians?
seriously, tell me. I might offer a bit more so that moderators wouldn't have to secretly delete 'inconvenient' posts.

You accuse the staff here of taking bribes to side with one person or another. That is definitely "having a pop at moderators".

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Skybird came here with his silly remark about 'being after Germany and Russia', u_crank followed him with another silly remark about September 39. Our forum doctorate-to-be, CCIP, drew conclusions from what was said earlier and called me a russophobe and started all this 'hes against russia'.
So basically we are neither going to discuss who is deleting posts nor why lies are allowed. But we are going to lynch me for being a russophobe.;
Who is trying to lynch you? "Lynch" means to execute someone, usually by hanging, without a trial. I assume you mean metaphorically, as in convicting you unfairly. Nobody is doing anything because they believe you have something against Russia, or any other country. People will argue with you for saying all Russians are liars, but that's just arguing. But when you call another member a liar you should be ready to prove it. Couple that with the fact that name-calling in general is not allowed at Subsim.

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Thank God Tribesman has been brigged - I'm pretty sure he would add a 'Jew-eater' title.
That's pretty funny, considering that Tribesman was brigged for repeatedly calling somebody a liar.

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You proved him wrong, I did the same - he didn't care. He keeps posting his 'maps, facts and whatnot' and tries to fit his narration into what he currently needs. He is an 'exemplary' forum member and I'm a russophobe. :yeah:
I see where people have argued against him. I fail to see where you or anyone has "proved" him wrong. He is an exemplary forum member because he has backed up his argument with facts (whether right or wrong) and hasn't attacked anyone or called them names as a means of so-called "argument". I don't know whether you are a Russophobe or not. Other members have suggested that. You have not gotten into trouble for that. You have gotten into trouble for violating forum rules by attacking other members and stooping to making accusations you haven't proven.

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I'm not trying to settle world affairs. I'm just trying to prevent 'revisionism' taking place in one of the threads.
But the threads you're posting in are devoted to world affairs, and world affairs are what the discussions are about. Are you concerned with the affairs being discussed, or are you interested in attacking members who disagree with you?

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Besides, the limits you mentioned are apparently set to more than one scale when it comes to applying them.
You now accuse the staff of applying double standards. You have also said as much to me privately. Can you show and prove that this is so, or is this just another accusation because we don't agree with your assessment?

mapuc 02-01-15 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2283685)
According to the Foil Hat crowd?
We have already sliced and diced them, Autopsy, stolen downed craft and hidden them and more.
:haha:


It is true. Fox Mulder told it to me throug my toilet.

Markus

Betonov 02-01-15 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 2283679)
How can we trust you?

After all, all Americans these days are rapist mass-murderers, by your logic.

All of you should apologise for something you have no responsibility for, right away :yep:

It has to be quantity, not just quality. One town does not qualify it [sarcasm]

Jeff-Groves 02-01-15 05:36 PM

OK. Anyone from a guiltless country raise your hands.
:o

Betonov 02-01-15 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2283693)
OK. Anyone from a guiltless country raise your hands.
:o

:oops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Pit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%C4%8Devski_Rog_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_killings


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