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TarJak

08-07-14 07:28 AM

I'm disinclined to do your research for you. I can find plenty of evidence to support my position, but you can't so you ask me to do it for you?:har:

Feuer Frei!

08-07-14 07:29 AM

Does torture work?
Easy answer.
Ask the CIA.

Plenty of real-life examples there i'm sure.

TarJak

08-07-14 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei! (Post 2231295)

Does torture work?
Easy answer.
Ask the CIA.

Plenty of real-life examples there i'm sure.

:hmmm: I don't think so. There's apparently a 600 odd page Senate Intelligence Committee report which says not. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5643150.html Where exactly are the time critical examples from the CIA?

Try again.

Tribesman

08-07-14 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donna52522 (Post 2231207)

Where would you stand TarJak, for our children, or for terrorism?....Would you protect children, or give them up?

won't somebody save the children:haha:
The thought terminating cliché:up:
So to carry that on into the angle introduced earlier.

an intelligent man who used clichés and platitudes to justify his actions and the role he played in the Jewish genocide of World War II.
these phrases are symptomatic of an absence of thought.
his cliché-ridden language produced on the stand, as it had evidently done in his official life, a kind of macabre comedy.

Feuer Frei!

08-07-14 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2231297)

:hmmm: I don't think so. There's apparently a 6000 odd page Senate Intelligence Committee report which says not.

Try again.

Says not? That they didn't use 'enhanced interrogation' techniques?
Or that they worked?

Maybe MH can pick up on this and do the research.:haha:

Tribesman

08-07-14 07:37 AM

Quote:

Does torture work?
Easy answer.
Ask the CIA.

Plenty of real-life examples there i'm sure.

The man from Del Monte he say No.

Or as someone else put it...There's apparently a 6000 odd page Senate Intelligence Committee report which says not.

Try again.

That's the whole point of the topic.:yep:

MH	08-07-14 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2231292)

I'm disinclined to do your research for you. I can find plenty of evidence to support my position, but you can't so you ask me to do it for you?:har:

Ahh.. I did not see it this way lol
Nevermind.

TarJak

08-07-14 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei! (Post 2231300)

Says not? That they didn't use 'enhanced interrogation' techniques?
Or that they worked?

Maybe MH can pick up on this and do the research.:haha:

That they didn't work.

Quote:

The voluminous report does not state that the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" - which included measures such as "waterboarding," or simulated drowning, on captured al Qaeda militants - produced no information of value whatsoever, the officials said.

But it asserts that such tactics yielded no information that would have been "otherwise unavailable" to spy agencies through normal interrogations aimed at foiling further plots in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, the officials said.

Committee investigators also concluded that the agency misled other executive branch agencies and Congress by claiming that only by using harsh methods did the agency achieve other counter-terrorism breakthroughs that otherwise would not have been possible. The report will criticize some CIA officials by name, the officials said.

Ergo torture doesn't work more effectively than other methods. Ergo, why use torture at all, when not using "enhanced techniques" is just as effective and keeps you out of the very murky legal and moral territory that the CIA and the US government are now in?

TarJak

08-07-14 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MH (Post 2231304)

Ahh.. I did not see it this way lol
Nevermind.

That's OK I don't mind at all. :shucks:

Feuer Frei!

08-07-14 07:46 AM

Well, does torture work was debated and thought to work by MH.
His viewpoint.

He was asked for real-life examples by TarJak.

Am i correct so far?

Mr Dick Cheney says hi.

Mulder says: the proof is out there.
I'm inclined to think he may be onto something there.

Anyways, i'll leave MH to take up the batton.

MH	08-07-14 07:49 AM

Let's aproach this issue from another angle.
As mentioned here some security services went into great length to avoid legal issues like for example doing their thing in other countries and so on…
Do you think they do it because the method does not work yet they are lazy and evil…?

TarJak

08-07-14 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei! (Post 2231308)

Nice try, but he was asked for real life examples of a "ticking time bomb" scenario where time pressure meant that torture was the ONLY way that information could be obtained.

So far nothing...

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TarJak

08-07-14 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MH (Post 2231309)

I've no idea what they were thinking. As I originally stated, there are many evils dressed up as being for the greater good. Doesn't make them less evil, which is entirely the point.

MH	08-07-14 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2231310)

Well maybe one of the hamas exchange prisoners will tell you about it .

MH	08-07-14 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 2231311)

I've no idea what they were thinking. As I originally stated, there are many evils dressed up as being for the greater good. Doesn't make them less evil, which is entirely the point.

Yes and sort of cliche answer.

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