Awesome song! One of my favorites :rock:

You mean... you're... KHAAAAAN?

It's an honour! Please, stick ceti eel babies down my ears!

No, no I think you'll find he's Tattoo :O:

Yup.:03::O:


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Ok, now that is definitely offensive! :haha:

In so many ways.....:O:

Well, it's a crappy country.Crime, violence, ie lack of safety, poverty, lack of opportunity etc for the average person, especially those on the low end of the economic social spectrum there, with no hope for real change in their lifetime , can't blame them for trying.However, we are full, we have our own problems so can't be put on the US the take them in and let them saddle down our programs, schools, continue to undercut labor market etc. Sad sate and feel for them, but it's not on us.Like Armistead said, we fought a revolution, and civil war to work our our major problems back then, at some point they need to rally together and fix their own problems.Persona responsibility and all.

Sounds pretty bad over there in the USA. /sarcasm

[QUOTE=TarJak;2171557]Lol not that bad yet

Who forces American employers to hire illegal immigrants? As long as your country is willing to use this cheap labor force the problem will exist. Yes, there are other factors but this has to be the prime reason these people continue to seek a better life in the U.S. And many Americans benefit, in one way or another, from this cheap labor.

I guess I can't complain about this thread being revived, seeing as it turned out that I'm the crazy one, not Wolferz, and that Wolferz isn't racist and he just wants to defend his home.

Agreed.

We're all crazy here, Bruce.

Exactly, many are hired because can pay them what are slave wages.Our politicians are in bed with big business and will not pass meaningful reform to drive the illegals out, especially now since the problem has been let go for so long, they have to worry about identity politics in order to stay in power.Those who push to solve the problem, are labeled racist, xenophobic, uncaring etc by a certain party and it's propaganda division, the majority of media outlets, thus changing the discussion from the issue and putting those who want to stop the problem, on the defensive. Ignoring the economic and social damage that years of lax immigration policy has caused and will continue to cause damage until we stop it.

I am not without sympathy for those seeking a better life here, but it is not our responsibility to take on the downtrodden of the world, plenty of that in the US currently. A great example is myself, I had to drop out of law school in my final year, because could not afford and could not seem to get grants etc on time because my parents make too much money, I'm not a minority from a broken home etc,.Sure, in the past they did but things have changed dramatically.Where am I now? Working a stupid $11 an hour sales job trying to save everything I can so that hopefully in the fall I an enroll and finish as planned.Sure, my story is prob not as tough as many others out there, but it's pretty damn sad to see people's quality of life change that fast,(especially mine!) sign of the times since similar scenarios are repeated constantly across this country.What do illegals have to do with that? They undercut the labor market and have for a long time, without the pool of illega labor, wages would be higher.One of the major contributing factors.

That is clearly my face photo shopped onto Tarjak's body.

I'm not going to count on businesses not hiring illegals on a moral basis. Businesses are always about profits, not morals, so the only way to get them to stop hiring illegals is to force them. But we aren't doing that. In fact, we're hardly doing ANYTHING at all to uphold the laws we have in place about immigration. It's only in America that people are called xenophobic racists for wanting the customs that all of our ancestors had to follow enforced. It's only in America that upholding immigration laws are frowned upon. In EVERY other country in the world, Americans have to follow the customs and laws of every country they visit or live in, verbatum. Why is this different for people entering the U.S? Why do illegals in THIS country get special treatment? Why do they get to come in and do work under the table for less than minimum wage and undermine the standard of living. Why should i, a citizen, have to compete with people who are willing to work for pennies.

How is that fair for either of us? Not only are the standards and expectations of the american worker being devalued, but most importantly of all, these people are being exploited. Some of these illegal immigrants are being paid deplorable wages for unregulated hours. They put in such hard work and for so much less, and there's really nothing they can do about it. They aren't citizens, so technically they aren't entitled to the protection the federal government gives, so how can they argue for fair wages? How can they require an employer to give them the benefits required for citizens? They can't. And often times, its either get paid those terrible wages or go back to where they came from. That's not what America is about.

So why don't we tackle the problem entirely? We need to lax the path to citizenship so that these people can become citizens already. And then, after these people are citizens and the path is more practical for future immigrants to come here legally, then we clamp down on the border, enforce our immigration standards, and remove all the illegal immigrant benefit programs like the dream act. Now there's no reason for these people NOT to become citizens, and people who still choose to not be citizens are punished under our immigration standards.