I just want to go on record now to say that I am opposed to Obama's attempts to gain a fourth term.

He'll be sorry to hear that...


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About the only thing I can say about Obama is that he was better than the alternatives.

But then I never voted "for" Obama, I always had to vote against his opponents.

One of these days I might actually be able to vote for a president. But the odds are unlikely. :nope:

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i have to agree. Maybe if there was a universal 3rd party (as in real competition for both the left and the right) instead of the 2 party system we might get better canadits right now it is a "most liked" competition.

We tried that, didn't work. :/\\!!

I just don't get the thinking that can reason someone like Barack Hussein Obama is a lesser evil than Mitt Romney? That right there shows the lack of knowledge among the masses who Barack Obama is. Simple research into this person would have likely convinced more.I can possibly see the first time, McCain was a terrible candidate but the second time, Romney? Nothing wrong with Romney other than well he is not an actual conservative.

Does not matter, obama has been a disaster, economy is still crap, unemployment is still high, debt keeps growing and growing, liberties are eroded each day, corruption is rampant, Obama did not create all problems but he has made them worse and purposely done nothing to solve them.Add int he race baiting and other divisive tactics.I mean jesus tap dancing christ people, the US is on the wrong side of everything under him, we continue to side with the muslim brotherhood. We have lost moral high ground to Russia! When you lose that to Putin, that says something.

That is one way this piece of trash gets away with so much, people are cynical and apathetic towards politics, people like you figure the anti obama movement is just politics and hyperbole.This is different, must see this president is different, he is a clear and present danger to this country.What has to happen for more people to see that? Does the DHS have go full gestapo on everyone before people wake up? Really, it will be too late then.

Someone saying these things about Reagan was indeed crazy talk.Reagan did everything he possibly could to protect this country, he confronted a legitimate threat in soviet russia which we had screwed around with for 40 years and his policies lead to their defeat shortly after he left office, communism was and still is a real threat.Unfortunately, it's not the big external threat now, it is internal and difficult to take out, much like a cancer.

Reagan did not kill US citizens without trial, Reagan did not detain citizens indefinitely.Bush nor Clinton did either but who has done things to warrant the opposition? Barack Hussein Obama. Wake up, really.

P.S> I will gladly admit I was wrong if he does not seek a third term or obtain one.I hope I am on this one, really.

No, it is entirely unfair. Credit score does not take into account things that happen out of control then it affects people's ability to get things(certain jobs included) they NEED. Personally, it's never affected me since I have good credit but I have seen it hurt people who had things happen out of their control. Honestly, it is "the man's" way to keep a lot of people down because they wont or cant at a moment in time, play by his rules.Also, without know this guy you suggested he is sloppy and undisciplined because of his credit? See allows for a lot of prejudgements, it's an unfair process.

I mean how ridiculous is it you credit score takes a hit if someone runs a credit check when you apply for things? That is the most ridiculous crap ever, it punishes someone for trying to get things.The system is outdated, unfair and needs to be abolished and at the least, a major consumer oriented overhaul.

Unfortunately that is unlikely to happen in our lifetime. That is why real conservatives libertarians are trying to weed out the RINO's and closet liberals as well as necons out of the GOP, they are the problem.Reform from within, reinvent .Of course, there are growing pains with this.

And there you show your bias while denying it. From the start people predisposed to hate him used his middle name just to show a possible Muslim tie. No one ever said "Ronald WILSON Reagan" "George WALKER Bush!" The Democrats sometimes use Clinton's middle name, Jefferson, to try to make a good comparison. The only reason anyone uses Obama's middle name is in an attempt to tar him with the Muslim brush. It makes you look extremely biased.

I've asked you repeatedly not to throw slurs at people, even the ones you hate. It makes you look stupid, and it makes me look stupid as well for even trying to talk to you in a civilized manner. If you can't discuss things like the educated person you keep claiming to be, please stop trying.

Not so. I happen to be against Obama myself. I just don't make myself look foolish ranting about it. It's anti-Obama extremists like you who are all politics and hyperbole.

Back to the FEMA death camps? I thought you learned your lesson with that one. If you really believe all this, why aren't you standing large in public making sure the world hears this instead of posting it in a backwater website no one but us cares about?

He did however start wars "just 'cause", and people accused him of trying to set himself up for a third term. Just like Obama.

But he planned to.
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Bush? Patriot Act?

You seem to not know what you're talking about.

There it is again. HUSSEIN!

I don't like Obama. I think he's a mediocre president at best, a bad one at worst. I said the same thing about Clinton. I said the same thing about Bush. Bush the Elder was okay, but weak. Reagan was a double-dealer. Carter was weak. Ford never got a chance to prove himself one way or the other. Nixon was a snake of the worst sort. The country survived. It will survive this.

I don't like Obama and I'll say so. But is he trying to make himself Dictator For Life? Not even a little bit, and if he does try something like that I will be one of the millions standing against him, armed if necessary. I'll also eat my hat, swallow my words, and apologize.

Will you really? I'm betting you'll figure a way to weasel out of it. There will be a "but..." in there somewhere.

I use his middle name because it puts an emphasis on who he is why he acts the way he does. Want to know why he tends to take the side of the brotherhood etc? Well his background explains it.Nothing wrong with being a non radical muslim(just as stupid as being a christian honestly) but it does run contrary to the national interests of the united states.Of course this is not PC etc but it's a real factor to worry about and now is supported by evidence, his behavior.Why is he so pro muslim brotherhood? why he has been hostile towards Israel? explains a lot.

Ronald Wilson Reagan had no questionable ties or allegiance for enemy.Now, he his middle name been Vissarionovich and he had ties from his early life such as being raised in Russia, sure it would have been valid.

Yes, the Democrats wish Clinton was even remotely close to Jefferson.I remember seeing Reagan's 92 RNC convention speech, he had a great line about that load of crap the Dems were trying to push.

I call the president what he is, period.


Well you may be anti obama but you are naive and blind to what a danger the man is and take for granted we will survive, it's a shame.The evidence is all there, just stop worrying about trying to be "fair" and see what is there.

I hope I am wrong, I hope he is out of office and is remembered as carter if not worse, at least Carter was just a naive, incompetent fool but had a good heart.Only thing better than him serving res to fterm and fading away would be for an impeachment where he is actually forced out like Nixon and goes down in history for what he is.However.I hope I am wrong about the third term or him staying in office one more day than legally allowed, if I am, I will gladly admit I am wrong.

Well it's certainly clear that he's trying for a third term.

I'm surprised you're having trouble convincing people. Benghazi, IRS, NDAA - it's all there.

You use it to be insulting. That's not how you convince people you're right.

Do you always feel the need to insult people for no apparent reason? Sure, we can talk about radicals of all kinds, but calling the average believer stupid just for what they believe? If someone called you stupid for what you believe you'd be complaining to anyone who'd listen about how you were being abused. Can you possibly discuss anything without resorting to insults?

No, it wouldn't have. Using someone's name in an insulting manner shows how low you are, not how bad he is. It's a game the Right has been playing since day one. As with the Liberals hating Bush long before he gave them a reason to, the Conservatives have been hating Obama since long before this began. You need to learn how to think, rather than spout rhetoric. You've repeatedly accused the Liberals of not using logic or reason, yet you have yet to use either. Please try to form a serious argument before shouting about all the evil you see around you.

No, you call him what you think he is. Then you get all upset when people call you what they think you are. You want it both ways.

"Fair" in my case equates to "reasonable", "thoughtful" and "logical". You should try it sometime. Right now you sound like an old-time prophet/preacher. You might possibly be right, but you don't know that for certain. Still you carry on as though you know the truth about his evil plans. I'm already convinced he is bad for the country, but until he actually does something provably impeachment-worthy, or even revolution-worthy, then there's nothing that can be done, or that should be done.

As I asked before, why aren't you making a huge public outcry rather than just preaching here?

I also notice that you've blithely ignored the fact that Reagan was indeed working on a contingency plan that would allow him to detain citizens indefinitely, just as you've ignored the Patriot Act. Obama is not the first to look at something like this.

Do you really? You don't sound like it. You sound like you want to be proven right. You've already said "I told you so" several times on these boards, including the title of this thread. It sounds to me more and more like all you really want is to make a lot of noise. You don't seem interested in actually working for the good, or else you would learn how to form an argument and discuss this rationally. You have yet to do anything like that.

I will have to do some research on Reagan's planned indefinite detention, I know one thing, no evidence he ever did nor did he sign any law like the NDAA permitting him too, I will discuss this further once have had a chance to look into it.

The PATRIOT Act is an awful thing and I have railed against this many times, for most it was knee jerk reaction, for other more sinister types in the government it was an important step towards the police state they desire, they exploited 9/11 to get it passed.Bush was more an unwitting accomplice in this than anything and not intelligent enough to see his neocon advisers pushing him in the wrong direction.Bush, like many, overreacted and now we have to live in a police state for it.

Obama is a different creature, he is not stupid.Obama as he has said from day one wants a "fundmental transformation" of the US.Most people just do not fully understand what he meant by that but if you do some research, look into who the man it, read his books, look at his associations, his actions since taking power, his words , fully understand who he is and what he wants. I don't just say this online, say it in person and put it out there as much as possible.Some people do their own research and wake up, some don't. apparently before you see the danger he has to start killing more people or get us in a war we can't really win when the signs are already there.

Steve, you and I just have different styles.I am confrontational and yes I have no problem telling someone they lack a certain amount of intellect if they honestly follow and believe a religion or a set political/economic beliefs that have never, ever worked.Someone believes in a political figure that is such an overt threat to the liberties of the people, then yes they are an idiot, esp when they ignore the proof.Seems you are very old school and that is fine, it's a natural clash.

I do know I am right, this is not a religious argument, the evidence of the clear and present danger that obama poses is there and has been for a long time, many are waking up or already have but some like you are still stuck on being "fair" and "tolerant" while disguising it in alleged "logic" , it's nothing more than refusing to admit we have someone who is an actual threat to this country holding power.Obama is more of threat than any terrorist or other nation right now.

I honestly do hope I am wrong about his plans for a third term.Yes, I have no problem letting someone know when I am right and they were wrong.There is nothing more satisfying than trying to tell someone about things, but they are too ignorant to listen then only to be proven correct but in this case I would love to be wrong.