Very nice! No real suggestions, beside, maybe, when we actually get to it, splitting uboat ranges between people working, so there would not be an overlap.

Sorry for the late response; I've been traveling today.

This is what I think of your ideas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih6XjO_fhrI

:O:

This looks brilliant gap :yeah: I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but this level of detail, if it can be patched into the game, could revolutionize SH5 by providing a truly dynamic BdU/U-boat relationship.

How do you think we should split up the work? I like the idea of dividing it by U-boat type, but we would not have data on the Hundius flotilla if we only did the Type VII boats in the beginning. The Hundius Type IXs made up a large portion of the U-boat arm in the early war, especially since there were so few boats in total, and they were very involved in early wolfpack operations in the Western Approaches and off Gibraltar. Any ideas?

First version of the U-boat coordinates generator available here:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7__...it?usp=sharing

I have added tooltip notes to most of the editable settings; moreover, by way of example, the spreadsheet comes with the data taken from U-30's 3rd war patrol. In order to make the spreadsheet more user friendly, I have used the following color code:

light blue/purple cells: labels
white cells: user input
light purple cells: informative cells
ocre cells: output

There are still some functions and some data entries that I want to add to it, but before we actually start working on the final "TDW-readable" U-boat logs, I think you can start playing with my spreadsheet, in order to familiarize with it and to report any mistake by me or feature that could be improved. :yep:

I agree, implementing our idea would add a whole new dimension to the game.

At the time being I am trying to make my U-boat logs generating spreadsheet to process as much information as it can be recorded in a compact format. Nonetheless, the fact that I thought of some features, or that some information is recorded in the generated logs, doesn't necessarily mean that TDW will be able to use all of it. Before we start with the data collection work, we should wait for his opinion on what can and what cannot be done. An example? A cool feature would be if TDW's code could read two consecutive position logs, and plot an intermediate position based on current time. In this way we would simulate submarines moving between two points, instead of jumping from one point to the next one. Nonetheless, this feature could cause TDW to spawn subs on land, if the two points are too close to land masses. In order to avoid it, I have added an user settable flag which would tell TDW's code not to interpolate among two given points. This flag will be absolutely useless, unless TDW can code the intermediate coordinates plotting feature...

I think by the time we have finished collecting information on type VII U-boat, Targor will get his type IX finished, and we will start working on type IX's logs. :03:

Good remark guys!

I also agree that we need for a coordinator. My personal vote goes to keysersoze :up:

strongly support! :yeah:

Fantastic work gap :salute: You have done an excellent job combining functionality and simplicity. Hopefully that will attract more people to the project. I'll start experimenting with your coordinates generator tomorrow and will let you know if I think of any suggestions.

Another feature to ask TDW about is the possibility of having AI U-boats report a convoy if they are in close proximity. This might be tricky to code, but it would represent the true implementation of dynamic wolfpacks, where either the player or the AI could be the contact-keeper.

Very true—we will have our hands full with the Type VIIs.

Thanks for the votes of confidence guys. I would be honored to coordinate, although I think we should defer to gap as well, since this project was originally his idea.

:up:

Excellent idea!

you deserved it :)

I am already busy with too many projects, Daniel. Moreover, starting from the next week I have a schedule of several short trips abroad which will reduce my free time. I will be glad to contribute to this project with suggestions, data collection and by further improving the log generating spreadsheet if required, but in my opinion you are still the best candidate for group coordination :yep:

Understood. You have your hand in many things; I would be happy to coordinate day-to-day operations. After class today, I will play around with the spreadsheet and think about the best way to divide up the workload. As mentioned before, I'm inclined to favor a realistic and easily-achievable goal for the first portion of data collecting. Perhaps beginning with only the Type VIIAs would be appropriate. There were only ten of them, so each volunteer could focus on one or two U-boats.

Two questions:
1. How should we deal with rebasing missions? Should we record them for the sake of completeness? Should they be considered separate patrols?

2. Do you guys think it would be appropriate to start a new thread for the coordinates project? This thread was a general inquiry about the possibility of community projects. A new thread would allow us to clearly and concisely present this project, offer instructions and hints, and hopefully attract more volunteers. That way, subsimmers wouldn't have to read through 4 pages of posts to familiarize themselves with our ideas.

(more to come in a few hours)

gute jagd on your patrols abroad, Herr Kaleun, and don't forget to send weather reports from time to time. :salute: :O:

:yeah:

My only concern is that on the way we might change idea on some of the numerical parameters I have included in the generated logs, and that we would be forced to restart (almost) from zero. So yes, I agree that the best approach is to start with a limited number of U-boats, and wait for TDW to start working on them. :yep:

U-boats from U-27 to U-32 are almost ready yet; if you explain me how to access your google document, I will start updating it with them. :03:
Other volunteers could focus on the remaining Type VIIA and on the VIIB. What do you think?

I think so: provided that we are talking about front line boats, each passage from base to base should be considered as a separate patrol, even though it was just a short transfer, or an aborted patrol. By setting the daily tags appropriately, we can make these U-boat not as aggressive or responsive as during "normal patrols".

Yes, either start a new thread or ask a moderator to change the title of this thread. A while ago the moderator dealing with this kind of stuff was CCIP, if I remember correctly.

Next patrol will be past the Bosphorus :arrgh!:

Okay, I will try to figure out a manageable workload tonight and will create a new thread.

I see you have been productive :up: I accidentally had the document set to "View Only." I changed the status so that anyone with the link can edit it. Let me know if you still cannot access it.

:up:

Operating with 30. U-Flottille, I see. The Soviets will never see you coming :Kaleun_Los:

We can and we will see everything and everybody :cool:

(Big Brother.. and so on) :D

I have no doubt that the excellent Soviet intelligence will see gap coming, but will Stalin believe it? He didn't do very well in June 1941....:O:

I won't travel that much past Boshorus to pay a visit to Stalin and to my good friend Volodya ;)

:huh:

believe it or not, I come in peace, let's not start a second cold war :haha:

you forgot an evil laugh

/mwahahahahahaha

@keysersoze:
Well, let's assign ranges and go! :)

Maybe there were some reasons for.. who knows.. :06:

Well, you are right.. let's not start new war :up:.. :)

My bad.. I forgot it.. :oops:

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