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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2009558)

When you keep saying "if" he is mentally ill, etc., you're assuming.

"However, still not excusing anything and still not assuming anything, IF he would be found as mentally ill indeed,"

There is nothing at all to suggest he was mentally ill or insane, everything points that he let his anger reach a point to he became vengeful. Certainly anyone that starts killing innocent people isn't mentally stable, that doesn't mean they suffer a mental disease. It is clear he had great mental capacity, planning and a point to prove. I see no sign of a severe mental illness, but plenty signs of anger and revenge. He clearly knew right from wrong.

The fact is 90% of people with serious mental illness still know the difference between right and wrong and don't get involved with crime or hurting others.. I do agree when people are seriously mentally ill, don't know right from wrong, others have to get involved and take responsibility, even if that means putting them in an institution to protect others.

Like it or not, many people CHOOSE to follow their anger to the point of murder, they become evil. Dorner became evil, he planned and picked his targets to hurt others. He clearly knew what he was doing and why. We all deal with anger, that doesn't give us the right to kill. It's clear this isn't a case that he didn't know right from wrong.

Sigh.

If there would be pink gas clouds on Io, it could maybe be a hint for pink elephants eating pink grass and producing pink gas.

But I do not assume that it is so.

If you would hop on one leg and never walk on two, it could be that your other leg is dysfunctional or you are phobic to walking on two legs, or your other leg is amputated.

But I do not assume it is so.

If you would consume LSD, you would see fancy colours and bright lights. By saying that, I do not express an assumption that you recently consumed LSD.

Enough of this now, before I feel like been pulled by force back into a Kindergarden. Since you have never been inside his head, you just do not know what it weas that made him tick the way he ticked. I just think it would be good to know, and I do not take YOUR assumptions (thats what they are! ;) that he just ticked out for granted. You do not know, nor does anyone at this stage. Maybe (or probably) we will never know.

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2009422)

Sorry to hijack the thread BACK to the original post, but,

What is the opinion of our members on whether that body is the cop or not?

To me, until the body is positively identified, the baddie is still presumed on the Lamm. :yep:

I think it was him ... he was hiding right in front of one search party in a cabin across from where they searched.

They heard one single shot after the cabin (accidently???) caught on fire.

Someone tried to sneak out the back door and went back inside.

The witnesses he tied up saw him plus the hi-jacked truck.

Pretty sure it was him and now the argument over who get the reward starts.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...nanswered.html

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Officials have not made a decision on who, if anyone, will get a piece of more than $1 million in reward money

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Officials have not made a decision on who, if anyone, will get a piece of more than $1 million in reward money offered for the capture and conviction of suspected killer Christopher Dorner.
Dorner, 33, is believed to have died in a Big Bear cabin fire after a standoff with police Tuesday afternoon.
He was tracked there after reportedly tying up two people in one cabin and carjacking a man minutes later. All three people reported seeing Dorner to police.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2009739)

I'll not get into the pink clouds or LSD, but it sounded like a good time.

I never said he got ticked off for granted, he wrote a complete manifesto why he was ticked and how he would seek revenge. This isn't a complex case, he clearly fumed in his anger for years. What made him finally snap years later, you're right, we may never know, but it's clear he knew right from wrong and chose to do wrong. He meets no criteria for mentally deranged or ill. In fact, few meet the criteria for the insanity plea, it gets a lot of attention, but only used in about 1% of murder cases and usually fails.

...," Dorner wrote. "Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name."

Dorner called Randall Quan and told him that that he "should have done a better job of protecting his daughter," an innocent woman he gunned down. This was calculated revenge.

I'm not sure what you need to know, he clearly had issues, we all do, he chose not to take correct action and blame others. Society isn't the blame here, he was a murderous coward, now a dead coward.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2009476)

...can an unbiased and unobstructed examination be expected in a department like LA with a certain kind of not really positive reputation that lasts since very long time now...

of course and why not? Is the L.A. PD more or less racist than the:

-Frankfurt PD:

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20121108-46055.html

- Baden-Württemberg state PD:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-847831.html

- Dessau PD:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/01/oury-j11.html

- Berlin PD:

http://www.freedominfonetwork.org/pr...acy-in-germany

It seems like the body has been confirmed as the baddie. That's good. :yep:

In the light of this confirmation, his manifesto starts looking pretty sad. I mean he ranted for what seemed to be an endless wall of text about how he is practically invincible, always a step ahead and always has the initiative. I suppose his infallible masterplan had one fatal flaw: the reality.

Remember the guy that shot up the other police down in LA and Riverside:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ornia/2024341/

Now they say they won't pay due to Dorner killed himself before they could arrest him ... :hmmm:

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Some California donors, including the city of Riverside, have withdrawn their part of more than $1 million in reward money offered for the capture and conviction of cop-killer Christopher Dorner, who committed suicide after a 10-day shooting spree in Southern California last month.
The city of Riverside had pledged $100,000 in reward money for information leading to the arrest and conviction of Dorner, who was suspected of killing four people

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Originally Posted by geetrue (Post 2032402)

Don't trust gov't, what a novel idea. :D

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Now they say they won't pay due to Dorner killed himself before they could arrest him ... :hmmm:

Even if they arrested him that wouldn't have meant a payout.
"Arrest and conviction"...terms and conditions always apply.

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Don't trust gov't, what a novel idea.

Always read the small print