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Jimbuna 09-29-12 03:49 PM

Well not being a British national the chances are you probably would.

Good luck when it becomes worthless.

Gerald 09-29-12 03:55 PM

We have the Swedish krona, and it is strong presently, but to visit EU countries that have the coin's is pretty cheap.

Jimbuna 09-29-12 05:45 PM

Krona?

Isn't that like Anchor a New Zealand butter/margarine :)

Gerald 09-29-12 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1941833)
Krona?

Isn't that like Anchor a New Zealand butter/margarine :)

Ha,ha

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/363/ny1kronaframhigh.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/3954/krona.jpg

Skybird 09-29-12 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1941626)
Just print more money (Euros) and hang the consequences.....France and Germany will pick up the slack eventually...they're good at that :)

Recently looked at France's budget numbers, debt and state of economy industry? Cars? They are more dead than alive themselves.

Debts are 90% of GDP. The state's spendings are the second-highest in the Eurozone. Car industry is in serious trouble, hidden bailout programs payed to them did not ignite. Economy is in a recession. Since years it has been policy of French governments to demand more German "solidarity" - meaning that Germany should pay more money for them. I tell you, with a friend like this, you do not need enemies anymore. I used to believe in this thing called German-French friendship until some time ago. But since years I realised that it is just an act, a fake, a strawman'S argument. It may be true on private contact levels between people, yes. But on the economic and financial and political levels - a lie.

Germany has no friends in Europe,m tnhat simple it is. For Germans that is a hard thing to swallow, since they were used to pay for friendship after WWII and in return being liked and loved by everybody. What the others loved and liked, was not the Germaness in Germany, but the money. And that is the tough pill to swallow - Our politicians completely fail in realising this. But we can see it since years: where we oppose paying even more for others, the others turn hostile, mock us, attack us, offend us.

Germany is an infinite money cheat, many think. A card blanche for spending. A mailbox where to store bills.

Jimbuna 09-30-12 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1941919)
Recently looked at France's budget numbers, debt and state of economy industry? Cars? They are more dead than alive themselves.

Debts are 90% of GDP. The state's spendings are the second-highest in the Eurozone. Car industry is in serious trouble, hidden bailout programs payed to them did not ignite. Economy is in a recession. Since years it has been policy of French governments to demand more German "solidarity" - meaning that Germany should pay more money for them. I tell you, with a friend like this, you do not need enemies anymore. I used to believe in this thing called German-French friendship until some time ago. But since years I realised that it is just an act, a fake, a strawman'S argument. It may be true on private contact levels between people, yes. But on the economic and financial and political levels - a lie.

Germany has no friends in Europe,m tnhat simple it is. For Germans that is a hard thing to swallow, since they were used to pay for friendship after WWII and in return being liked and loved by everybody. What the others loved and liked, was not the Germaness in Germany, but the money. And that is the tough pill to swallow - Our politicians completely fail in realising this. But we can see it since years: where we oppose paying even more for others, the others turn hostile, mock us, attack us, offend us.

Germany is an infinite money cheat, many think. A card blanche for spending. A mailbox where to store bills.

I certainly agree with you where France is concerned...all the warning signs are there and when they go 'pop' everyone will act as if it's a big suprise.

They will eventually pay a high price for trying to be one of the big players in Europe.

Gerald 09-30-12 07:18 AM

About France...France budget: Taxes favoured over spending cuts,http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19754016

Jimbuna 09-30-12 08:35 AM

The unions might just go for that if it means the working masses maintain what employment they have and are not faced with tax hikes.

Gerald 09-30-12 02:59 PM

Ok!

Jimbuna 09-30-12 03:33 PM

Eh?

Gerald 09-30-12 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1942290)
Eh?

I think you did a good summation before, so further outsourcing at the moment was not relevant, :sunny:

Jimbuna 09-30-12 03:40 PM

Ah, right.

joea 10-01-12 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1942133)
The unions might just go for that if it means the working masses maintain what employment they have and are not faced with tax hikes.

Hell I'd rather pay more in taxes as a union guy if it meant the rich were also paying more and I could keep my job.

Spending should be cut too.

Jimbuna 10-01-12 05:46 AM

It looks like France are going to approach the issue differently to the way other countries have tried and tbh I say good luck to them.

If it works and the working class masses aren't suffering any detriment as a result of austerity measures I can see other countries giving it a go.

I am not saying it will work mind you but it must be worth a try.

Gerald 10-01-12 07:22 AM

Eurozone unemployment at fresh high
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19784062


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